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  1. cstjohn17

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    It came to me, the best analogy for the team is that the Patriots are like the Ravens. Good defense, good coach and inconsistent offense. Lets hope it is like the one year McNair caught lightening in a bottle, not the Kyle Boller years.
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    Re: The Ravens - we are the Ravens....

    What did you see in the KC game to make you think the offense was inconsistent?
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    Re: The Ravens - we are the Ravens....

    No.

    Not at all....
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    Awesome Sig, Disco.
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    Re: The Ravens - we are the Ravens....

    I don't know if you are serious or not but I will bite.
    KC Game Log -
    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20080907017&page=plays

    I was thinking of the season in general not just the first game. But looking at the KC game, not counting end of half or end of game situations there were at least 4 three and outs... that is a lot. 17 points against one of the worst teams in the league is nothing great either but a win is a win so I will take it.

    I expect Cassell to be inconsistent, he is a career backup not Joe Montana.

    Back to my analogy, lets remember the Ravens won a superbowl with Trent Dilfer, so keep the dream alive. The Pats D is not as good as the Ravens was but the Patriots are solid across the board so they really shouldn't be out of any content.
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    Forgot about the Dilfer year, I see...

    Not sure Billick was that good a coach on a lot of levels. Lots more stubborn ego going on there than with Bill. And thus far here the Qb has not been a problem.

    But hey, if it makes you feel better...
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    "Now, did you have a lot of crack this morning or just a little?"
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    Re: The Ravens - we are the Ravens....

    dude, u musta have just woken up...


    u know, some dreams are really only that...and anything you draw from them does not mean much...
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    Re: The Ravens - we are the Ravens....

    Let's look at those four 3 and outs:

    I recall dropped pass by Welker on 3rd down which would have been first down.

    I recall Evans not picking up what should have been a gimme first down when he could not run for one yard on 3-1.

    I recall Cassle being swallowed up on a sack when he had zero time- but wise SMART enough to eat the ball rather than rick a Favresque throw it up for grabs pass that could have brought disaster. That showed me alot.

    I recall Cassle trying to find Moss deep and not connecting.

    He managed the game well, no disasters, what more coudl you have asked for??


    Seems to me we are fine.
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    and tomorrow if we put up 30 we'll be who?

    and what if we put up 7?

    one game and we know who we are. I guess it could be worse... we could have an identity crisis.
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    We have far more playmakers than the Ravens have ever had.
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    Re: The Ravens - we are the Ravens....

    OK, the Ravens won a SB without a QB, and they went like 5 games without scoring an offensive TD. They have an accused murderer at middle linebacker. They had a RB that went to jail for drug dealing. They had a coach that "thought" he was a genius. No, sorry, I don't think the Pats are like the Ravens.
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    Why thank you. :D
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    Re: The Ravens - we are the Ravens....

    ???

    Last year's offense was arguably THE BEST OFFENSE IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL.

    Please read this last sentence five times before continuing.
    ==================
    THIS YEAR COMPARED WITH LAST
    QB: WEAKER, obviously
    OL: A BIT WEAKER, but fine when the backups are healthy; or we'll pick up a vet
    TE: STRONGER with Thomas back
    RB: STRONGER with Morris healthy and with the addition of Jordan
    WR: EVEN with Moss, Welker, Gaffney back and Washington as the backup
    BOTTOM LINE: EVEN OVERALL for the non-QB positions
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    The question is how many game we will lose because we don't have Brady, and whether we are not a playoff offense and have to depend on the defense to get us to the playoffs. If Belichick thought that Cassel couldn't do the job, he wouldn't be here. If Belichick thinks that a veteran would give us a better chance (as starter or backup), the veteran will be here before the bye week ends.

    I want a veteran; the chance for Gutierrez has passed. HOWEVER, I am fine if Belichick thinks that Cassel give us the best chance. If Cassel is the man, I expect the patriots to have one of the best OFFENSES in the AFC this year, not the best in history, just one of the best in the conference.

    Our offense will be a PLUS this year, NOT a minus.
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    Dude, really. Don't site that if you don't understand the game. The result of that throw at worst was like a good punt. His downside was low, while clearly the upside was huge. Of course, it was very lucky that it resulted in a TD, but the play was not bad. Let it go.
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    Yes at worst it was a good punt. I mean it's 100% impossible for it to be run back if intercepted. Nope the law is if Favre throws an INT there you have to fall.

    Secondly, he didn't cite any specific play... He said "Favresque", way to know the career of your QB
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    Re: The Ravens - we are the Ravens....

    Sure, but we have Randy Moss.
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    He was referring to that throw specifically, and you know it, so don't get cute. And, yes, of course a pick can be run back. Just not very likely on that play with how it was thrown. So, in general, worse case was a punt-like result. The point was, Favre is likely to make some bad decisions this year. I, and most people who are not being intentionally biased, realized that it was not a bad play. Lucky to end in a TD, absolutely.
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    It seems more like the Patriots and the season Bledsoe went down and we all wondered how Brady would do filling in. Maybe Cassell will suprise us and turn out to be a QB that doesn't make too many mistakes and knows how to manage the offense.
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    Let;s see if you can add and subtract...take away the TD and now tell me the score that resulted from the ball that brett the jet threw up without looking please?? DUDE??
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    Good idea, lets stick to the bottom line. Last year the offense scored 589~ points, the best ever. Lets say the score 22 PPG this year (about middle of the pack) that works out to 352 or a 237 point (40%) dropoff.

    Citing 'In BB we trust' is not analysis it is homerism. Cassell is a huge step down from Brady, he has zero experience, I fully expect some inconsistency. If he can guide the offense to 22 PPG, they should be around 11-5, 10-6 or 9-7, which should either win the division or be in the hunt for a wildcard.
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    Let's stick to the discussion, why don't we? I said nothing about the score of the game. I discussed that single play. Boy, do you all like to twist things whatever way is convenient for you.
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    I agree with your conclusion that a Cassel led team will likely lead to a record "around 11-5, 10-6 or 9-7, which should either win the division or be in the hunt for a wildcard"

    HOWEVER, I also believe the offense talent is good enough and our coaching good enough so that there are options that do NOT cost us 13 points per game compares to last year. Just maybe there are ways to game plan to score with say 10 point a game of last year's team.

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    Lets see, it all starts tomorrow. I don't care if they win 3-2, wins within the division are going to be critical.
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    In order for this offense to drop off to "average" or "middle of the pack" Cassel will have to SUCK BIG TIME. This offense WITH BRADY never came close to 589 prior to last year. What does that tell you? Brady suddenly had became that much better or his supporting cast suddenly back that much better? Obviously the latter.

    Cassel has a far above average supporting cast so to assume a dropoff to average offensive production is to assume a terrible performance by Cassel.

    If Cassel even performs as an average QB, this offense will score above average points.

    Patriots are winning 12 games in the regular season.
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    Honestly, how can the offense be inconsistent when they haven't even played a full game together as presently constituted yet? Why don't we just wait until tomorrow night, and then we'll have a better idea of what we've got here.
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    I should have said, I expect the offense to be inconsistent. The first game is a good example.

    Drive 1 - 8 plays, 38 yards - fumble
    Drive 2 - 7 plays, 68 yards - fumble <- Brady inured, god damn it to f---ing hell
    Drive 3 - 10 plays, 98 yards - TD
    Drive 4 - 3 plays, 3 yards - Punt
    Drive 5 - 3 plays, 6 yards - Punt
    Drive 6 - 1 plays, -1 yards - end of half doesn't count
    Drive 7 - 11 plays, 80 yards - TD
    Drive 8 - 3 plays, -6 yards - Punt
    Drive 9 - 3 plays, 9 yards - Punt
    Drive 10 - 10 plays, 37 yards - FG
    Drive 11 - end of game

    NFL - Kansas City Chiefs/New England Patriots Box Score Sunday September 7, 2008 - Yahoo! Sports
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    Given that every NFL offense in history has been "inconsistent" if you just use this rubric as your baseline, I'm sure you'll be correct.
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    Its not so much the points that worry me. The pats offense has always been consistently mistake free (save for Brady's once a year 3 int game). they did what it took to win, be it a 17-14 game or a 31-28 game. Lets hope Cassel continues that. We'll see in the next few games.

    As for the comparison with Baltimore, I dont see our defense being as strong as Baltimore's during their SB run, at least not the defense we had last year. Hopefully with Mayo, Oneil, a healthy Seymour, the defense will be better. Too early to tell though...
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    I disagree, it all balance out in the end. If a team averages 24 PPG or better they are a pretty good offensive team. If they average 19 they suck. I expect some good games and some clunkers, and an average around 21 PPG.
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