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  1. MrNathanDrake

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    Antrelle Rolle goes down with a phantom injury. Our momentum is stopped.

    NYG Defensive coordinator gets a free time out to think about which play to call next. NYG defense gets a free time out to catch their breathe.

    Our offense goes cold. Welker drops a pass that he usually makes.


    The ball then goes to NYG for the game winning drive.



    It happened many times in last years playoff game against the Jets and was never addressed.

    It happened during the season with the NYG's being caught red handed when two players flopped at the same time. Rolle did it at a crucial point in the game. Pierre-Paul did it earlier in the game (replay showed no injury whatsoever)


    I'm sorry if I sound like I'm *****ing. But it ruins the integrity of the game. I dont care what team does it. The NFL really needs to change that ****.
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    yeah and beckham with that phantom torn acl...he really sold that one! good acting

    and ballard falling down all over the place......nice job brad not-pitt!




    are you serious? lol
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    Are you? The OP is talking about the Giants defense, who have been doing it all year and Aaron Rodgers even made a comment about it, and you list two injuries to offensive players. Great job.
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    The Antrell Rolle acting job was obvious.

    I knew he'd be back in a couple plays later... and he was.

    So obvious. The Giants were even CAUGHT doing this in the regular season.



    It SERIOUSLY needs to be addressed as it gives teams a free time out and ruins an offense rythem.
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    Giants faking injuries

    Michael Strahan admits his team mate faked an injury in SuperBowl 42
    Fred Robbins fakes an injury in Super Bowl 42! (Michael Strahan Commentary) - YouTube

    Giants caught faking injuries red handed in September 2011. Sam Bradford claims he heard Giants coaches yelling for players to "go down".
    Giants Players Fake Injuries To Slow Down Rams Offense - YouTube

    Aaron Rodgers says Giants faked injuries to slow down the Packers offense
    Rodgers accuses Giants of faking 'phantom' injuries



    Surprise, Surprise.... Remember that Wes Welker drop in the SuperBowl? That was right after Antrel Rolle faked an injury.

    Rolle was on the ground for 5 minutes. It ruined our offenses momentum. It ruined the rhythm. Our offense suddenly went cold after moving the ball so easily before that. It allowed the Giants to substitute and figure out what we were doing offensively. It allowed their players to rest.

    Rolle then came back into the game 2 plays later and showed no ill-effects of his "injury". The replay also showed no such injury taking place. Jason Pierre-Paul also did this earlier in the game. The replay showed no injury at all.

    Not making excuses. But it's obvious the league needs to do something about this in the off-season.
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    Re: Giants faking injuries

    I thought they were faking injuries too. One Giant after another was down for the count and it was always when we were moving the ball well. Then they sat out a play and surprise, back in and good to go.
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    Re: Giants faking injuries

    Here is the solution: Every time has one injury time out per half. After that they start to be charged time outs. If they don't have any timeouts left and a player is injured they have to stay out the rest of the game.
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    Re: Giants faking injuries

    here's a hankie

    its time to put your big boy undies back on and get on with your day
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    Re: Giants faking injuries

    The most logical solution in these instances where an injury timeout is called is to have the player involved be forced to remain sidelined for the remainder of the drive.

    Referees are not doctors so they cannot reasonably be expected to make a decision on whether or not a player is faking an injury.

    The league and the players talked quite a bit about player safety during the CBA negotiations and over the last few years; why would either side be okay with permitting a player who was so severely hurt return to the field after just one play?

    To me the one question remains is whether you want to apply the rule strictly to defensive players, to prevent teams from employing this tactic against offenses that are moving the ball, or apply it to both offensive and defensive players?
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    Re: Giants faking injuries

    250k and a 1st rounder? Come on, Roger, they were pretty disrespectful to your beloved Jest this season too :D.
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    Re: Giants faking injuries

    run the football and get first downs with out haveing to go no Huddle and team wont fake injuries any more
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    Re: Giants faking injuries

    I think what would be effective is that if the offensive team had executed a no huddle play the previous play and was trying to do so again, that the only substitution allowed is for the 'injured' player....as well as not allowing the 'injured' player back in for the remainder of the quarter
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    Re: Giants faking injuries

    My solution would be simple: If a player is injured in any fashion that he interrupts a play or causes the time clock and/or playing to be stopped, that he be forced to remain inactive for the remainder of the quarter, at a minimum.

    Offense or defense doesn't matter. If you get knocked down and can't get up or cause play to be disrupted, you get sidelined for the rest of the quarter.

    If the player comes back and get reinjured, he's out for the rest of the game.
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    Re: Giants faking injuries

    either that, or just don't allow substitutions during an injury time. everybody stays put until the guy comes off the field. one guy come on, then the ref commences the play, and the defensive team can try to substitute if they think they can get it in before the snap.
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    Re: Giants faking injuries

    It's part of the game. I'm sure we've faked too. How about we avoid putting ourselves in this situations or fake when the other team is in our situation?
    Faked injuries is not the reason we lost
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    Re: Giants faking injuries

    Really?

    JPP was hurt and was out several plays. Rolle was back 2 plays later, but that happens to every team sometimes. Any player would try to get back as soon as they could for the biggest game of the year. Players can be hurt without being injured. Cramps, getting the wind knocked out, getting retaped,Those type of items happen every game. It's already set up that the player has to set out a play.
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    Re: Giants faking injuries

    Remainder of the quarter is excesive but rest of the drive makes perfect sense.

    I think the problem here is that there are legitimate reasons a player may need off the field for a play and if they have to decide if they can afford to be lost for the series they could chose to stay on the field and could further injur themselves.

    I think maybe a distinction could be made between stopping a play to get off the field and having it only be a quick delay for you to run off and for your teamate to run on as opposed to dropping to a knee and stopping action for a commercial break.

    Basically if your injury requires you to need the assistance of a trainer on the field you are lost for the series. But if you have a minor issue you can temporarly stop action run off the field and send a teamate on in your place only and not be lost for the drive.
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    Re: Giants faking injuries

    I just posted my thoughts and some of it agrees with what you said but I think a distinction can be made between a guy having the wind knocked out of him and him having a ACL injury. One IMO requires the trainer the other the player could signal the ref and slowly walk off with minimal impact on the pace of the game. I see nothing wrong with allowing one player back on the next and stating that the other must wait the series.
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    Re: Giants faking injuries

    But Goodell sent out a memo. As we all know Roger's memo supercedes the NFL rulebook. If the Giants were faking injuries then Goodell needs to fine them and take away a draft pick for ignoring his almighty memo.
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    Re: Giants faking injuries

    That will never ever happen.
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    Re: Giants faking injuries

    and if welker doesn't drop a pass that hits him in the hands, it wouldn't have mattered
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    Re: Giants faking injuries

    Problem with this is teams would just fake injuries to get their subs in. Just have everyone you want to sub out tell the ref they have a minor injury and need to get off the field.
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    Re: Giants faking injuries

    Sorry but whenever I think of the faking injuries phenomenom I am brought back to that Indy game years ago in the Dome when Willie McGinest "hurt" his leg and the next play after a goal line stand to end the game there's Willie sprinting down the length of the field. :)
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    Re: Giants faking injuries

    I was being sarcastic.
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    Re: Giants faking injuries

    Right, because Ty Law and Willie McGinest would never pull up lame seconds prior to stuffing the Colts on a great goal line stand. :eek:
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    Re: Giants faking injuries

    I don't agree with the argument that just because we did it, it's somehow OK. Yes, the Patriots have faked injuries. Yes, the league should do something about it. Some of the other posters' suggestions are quite reasonable and would be easy to implement and enforce. They would also speed up the game, something the league should be trying to do.
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    Re: Giants faking injuries

    It's a pain, and something I complained to my TV about, but in the end I just realized that it's requisite on Tom and the offense to be mentally tough enough to keep going, regardless of the cheap tactics.

    Also, with the increasing emphasis on player safety in football generally, I'm willing to bet that rules meant to discourage flops could also be read as a call for players to ignore their potential injury in hopes of not hurting their team.

    I will say, I was shocked by the shot of the Giants TE trying to jog & cut on the sideline after getting his knee taped only to crumple to the ground and have to be helped back to the locker room. Props to that guy for trying to tough it out.
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    Re: Giants faking injuries

    Rolle is the only one I was suspicious about. And of course we've done it in the past-- all teams have. But when the MVP of your league points it out the day of the game, you should be looking for it as a ref-- and take action accordingly.
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    Re: Giants faking injuries

    Exactly and I loved when it happened and I still love it when I see clips of it.

    At least the giants made it look good unlike when they did it vs the rams
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