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    Curran's post-draft musings on Spikes, Geno, Miami and more | Comcast SportsNet - CSNNE.com

    Maybe he's just taking a break, maybe he wanted an extension and didn't get one. Or maybe it just is what it is.

    But with the drafting of two LB and no extension yet with only a year to go it seems interesting.
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    I think this might be Spikes' last year. I think BB drafted him knowing who he was, but hoping he'd develop a more well rounded skillset. Instead, he came into the league as a raw but brutal physical presence in the middle with little to no coverage skills, and hasn't done much to evolve beyond that.

    If he stays that way this year, the Patriots move on. If he makes a leap into a good all around LB, he likely leaves for more money elsewhere.
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    Curran is late to the party, per usual. It was mentioned by Bedard that Spikes was quitting twitter at the end of March..
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    I dunno how you could expect that a guy with so little speed would be anything other than a permanent coverage liability. My guess would be that, like Cunningham, Spikes was drafted to play in a base defensive scheme that the Patriots no longer run. As a result, he still has some value, but he just isn't a particularly good fit. Hightower is probably the MLB next year, if I had to guess.
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    Wouldn't read too much into all of this.

    I really do like Spikes on this defense, regardless if he's limited. He's an enforcer...something we have very few of. He plays VERY Hard...is a playmaker...and is VOCAL on the field. We have had too many choir boy types on this defense for a while now and count me as one who likes to have the Spikes type on the roster.

    As far as an extension...that all depends.
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    I could actually see the Pats trading Spikes before the season starts to a team that needs a MLB depending on how Fletcher, Rivera, Tarpinian, and Collins do in camp. This would put Mayo and Hightower on the field as ILBs in the 3-4 with Jones, Ninkovich, Collins, Francis in rotation at OLB.
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    Spikes actually has more speed than his 40 time would equate to. To say that he was drafted to fill a scheme that the Pats no longer run would be a fallacy on your part. The Pats still do run the 3-4 on occasion. They also run the 4-3 Under, which is similar.
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    :confused:

    I thought Jones was a poor fit as a 3-4 OLB?

    Anyway, the basis for this thread (speculation) is pretty weak. No worries, though. Nothing else to talk about.
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    My worry would be the limited value. What would a team give up up for a limited LB in the final year of his contract? I can't believe it would be anything more than a 4th and probably a fair bit less. And if that's the case, I think he offers more on our defense even in his limited role as a run stopping enforcer.
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    Spikes is gone after this year if not sooner. He is a stud against the run, but he is likely to get too much money for being a two down LB. Someone is going to fall in love with his physicality and overpay him.

    I agree with DaBruinz and he could be part of a potential trade prior to the season. The Pats can afford to lose him especially if they get something good in return. Collins makes him expendable on early downs.
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    All this based on what Curran "heard."

    So he decides to quit twitter to improve his image and relationship with the organization but them blows off the offseason workouts? Right.
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    Spikes and Mallett to the Browns for their 2014 1st :D
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    Anything about quitting work-outs?
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    That was the significant part to me. I'm assuming we'll eventually see Hightower in the middle with Collins replacing him. Mayo and Collins most likely the 2 LB in nickel although they could actually keep all three in and have either Collins or Hightower play DE in a nickel situation too.
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    Huh? We have no idea what collins will bring to the table....
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    I would have to think that the chances of Spikes being a member of the 2014 Patriots would be less than 50/50.

    For one thing, I honestly don't know if the front office has seen enough consistency yet. We all know that he turned it on for the 2011 playoff stretch and that continued into this past season, but prior to that he was very iffy as far as being consistent.

    On top of that I don't see "team leader" written on his face, and that isn't meaning to knock him. It's just that the 2nd contract is usually reserved for guys who have proven to have grown up, act like leaders, and have shown consistent play that warrants a larger paying/longer term deal.

    I don't personally think he'll be traded this year myself, but I won't be surprised in the least if Belichick's financial assessment and Spikes' financial assessment are way off when the season ends.
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    We will see after this year, but I don't think that we'll make much of an effort to re-sign Spikes. I expect we'll make an offer.

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    I'm just going to enjoy his hard hitting play this season and mellow out on the likelihood that he finds a better 2nd contract elsewhere. Having that shiny new SB ring will help him with that.
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    That's exactly what I am expecting myself, unless he really steps it up this year in other areas that a lot of posters/fans tend to overlook outside of the fact that he is a hard hitter.

    I like his ability to hit hard and play strongly vs the run. I also like the intensity he brings to the defense. I would rather that his contract not be up for another 2-3 yrs and that he continued to play on the team....but all of that is totally irrelevant when dealing with someone in a contract year as they head into free agency.

    I just don't see enough of the traits that Belichick prefers to have from players he signs to 2nd term deals. Outside of that I don't see Spikes being the kind of player to want to stay here and leave one dollar on the table.
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    I think that we can safely admit that Belichick has had much more success in his first selections in the draft than not, and even the ones who haven't hung around for 2nd deals have still contributed nicely during their rookie deals.

    Meriweather made the probowl 2x on his rookie pact...even Maroney was our lead back and took us to a SB, and he was probably the biggest failure from a first draft selection outside of Patrick Chung.

    Collins is an athletic freak of nature. Why wouldn't you assume that he will contibute? Outside of injury (which is always the case with anyone) he will definitely be a contributor.
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    Not by much, and that wasn't what I claimed, in any case. I stated that he was extremely slow, which he is.

    Reading comprehension fail. Let me simplify this for you:

    "My guess would be that, like Cunningham, Spikes was drafted to play in a base defensive scheme that the Patriots no longer run"

    "was drafted to play in a base defensive scheme"

    "base defensive scheme"

    "base"

    Key word in that statement. As a 3-4 ILB, there's a lot of value in the Ted Johnson role of stacking and shedding blockers, and in the process freeing up Mayo to be a Bruschi-style playmaker. His ability to see plays developing and be in the right place at the right time within a fairly small window, in that role, is a lot more important than straight-line speed. As a MLB with four down linemen in front of him, his strengths are far less required, and his limitations in space become a major issue. How many times this season did you see a receiver crossing the field in front of him, and then catching the ball cleanly and turning upfield when he was simply unable to keep up?

    As far as another team trading for him, what would they give up? I don't see why any rival GM would give more than a 6th rounder for a guy like him with one year left on his contract. His being on the field creates almost as many problems as it solves.

    He would have had a lot more value in 1993, but in 2013 he's too much of a liability in coverage to be anything more than a situational contributor. Pretty much the same thing I've been saying about Chung for the last few years, although to Spikes' credit he does have the advantage of being a significantly better football player than Chung- at least he's extremely good at the one dimension that his game does have.
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    The moment there's the slightest doubt about a player's attitude around here, everybody starts talking about how he sucks and should be traded.

    Spikes is one of our best defensive players. He's one of the few defensive guys who regularly makes game-changing plays. He single-handedly turned the first Buffalo game around last year. We should have beaten Arizona thanks to him. He's singularly impacted games like that numerous times in his career (the Dallas game two years ago comes to mind). He adds attitude and intimidation.

    It does seem lined up for him to leave, but I don't think anyone should be celebrating that.
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    Absolutely agreed. Very well put.
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    I think Brandon Spikes stays he is the only enforcer on this defense.
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    I'm not celebrating it but we've drafted LB high the last two years to go with Mayo and only start 3 LB. Like I said about the writing . . .
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    The 'only' enforcer on this defense? Really?

    What does Spikes do well to warrant a bigger paid/longer term 2nd deal besides hit hard?

    I hope he stays too, but I doubt it will happen.
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    He's also been responsible for some of the biggest plays that have gone the other way. Key first downs because he couldn't keep up with his man, etc. That's what Spikes is. He's a one-dimensions player who truly excels at his dimension, and that means that, when he's in his element, great things happen, and when he's out of his element, bad things happen.

    I don't hate the guy. I'd certainly rather have him than a MLB who doesn't particularly excel at anything. But the holes in his game are what they are--a lot of us have been acutely aware of them for years--and at this stage in his career they aren't going to change. If he leaves, I won't celebrate. I'll just be hopeful that Hightower proves able to do most of the things that he can do, plus a whole lot of things that he can't do.

    If the Pats can keep Spikes with a contract that's commensurate to the limited role that he's ideal for, then that'll be fantastic news. In the far more likely event that he demands to paid like an every-down linebacker, I'd rather the Pats invest their money in better, more versatile players. It's the same thing that I said about Chung last offseason and was routinely attacked for, but I was right then and I'm confident that I'm also right this time.
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    Wasn't Shawn Crable an athletic freak, also?
    Wasn't Adalias Thomas the "swiss army knife" do-it-all type who was supposed to take this genius-designed defense to the next level?
    I am excited to see Collins…but I don't feel comfortable putting my eggs in that basket quite yet.
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    Crable: depends on who you ask, but it's largely irrelevant, since injuries were what did him in. The person who you replied to already made the allowance for injuries.
    As far as Thomas, what's your point? He was a productive player for us on the field. If Collins contributes half as much this year as he did in 2007, we'll be in good shape. Unfortunately, he was also a locker room cancer with a big contract.
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    Things could change, but Spikes has been the only guy that makes plays on D the last couple of years, so why would they get rid of him? Just take him off the field in obvious passing situations and problem solved. you're not going to have to break the bank for a 2-down LB.
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