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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Now what I see you and alot of other posters doing is accepting that BB knows what he is doing and that this must be a great pick for the value. But what no one has gotten into was that we already have 5(or more)CBs on the roster that BB either paid good Krafty $$ or used a high pick(2&4th rounds). Now no team hits us with any 6 WR sets and I'm pretty sure he wasnt drafted just to take Slater's job. Somewhere BB has made a mistake and making this pick is owning up to it. We retooled the entire secondary in the last 2 years so the mistake is recent. Why dont we talk about who is getting fired side by side with who just got hired??
People are actually defending this pick when it's still in a vacuum?
Really?
Well, people are attacking the pick when it's still in a vacuum too. It has the same relevance. But there would be little to talk about on Day 1 of the draft if all you can say is "let's see how it goes tomorrow and the next day".
I expect the calculus would be something like comparing the following two scenarios:
CB - 1st Rd
OLB/DL - 2nd Rd 1
RB/WR - 2nd Rd 2
OLB/DL - 2nd Rd 3
RB/WR - 3rd Rd
OLB/DL - 1st Rd
CB - 2nd Rd 1
RB/WR - 2nd Rd 2
OLB/DL - 2nd Rd 3
RB/WR - 3rd Rd
If the difference in the kind of player they could get as a CB in Rd 1 versus Rd 2 is much more than that of comparable OLB/DL picks, then it makes sense to do what the Pats did. Given the premium on quality cornerbacks, there is always an early run on them in comparison to other positions. BB obviously feels that getting McCourty plus the others beats getting a 3rd tier corner plus a pass rusher. If indeed BB feels that we need a "pass rusher" as our next priority.
If McCourty turns into a good cover corner, or even a shutdown corner as he has the potential to be, how could that possibly be a lousy pick? I don't know what "on its own" means, but I assume it's another way of saying "face value;" in other words, "I'm judging picks strictly by position rather than by the talent or availability of the players."Come on, now. In a vacuum, CB was below
DE
OLB
ILB
on the needs list, and one could argue the slotting of CB vs. OG and TE while they were at it.
You claim that it's the same, but it's not. It's a lousy pick on its own. Drafting an OLB or DE would have been a smart pick on its own.
If McCourty turns into a good cover corner, or even a shutdown corner as he has the potential to be, how could that possibly be a lousy pick? I don't know what "on its own" means, but I assume it's another way of saying "face value;" in other words, "I'm judging picks strictly by position rather than by the talent or availability of the players."
So who were we supposed to take at DE or OLB that's a better player than McCourty? Sergio Kindle, who's going to be on the board tomorrow anyway? Jared Odrick, a one-gap player who doesn't fit this team's scheme? Jerry Hughes would have been a nice pick, but we can get a pass rusher in round 2 (which is tomorrow--not sure why people are losing it over one draft pick).
I like the pick. You can never go wrong with a cornerback if you think he's talented. McCourty is also an electric kick returner--better than anyone on the roster right now. I think this board is going to look very stupid when this guy sees the field. He is twice as athletic as Butler and just as intelligent.
I'll admit I wasn't please when I first heard the pick, but the more I actually studied McCourty, the more attractive the pick became.
You know I generally enjoy your opinions Deus Irae but we're one round in to a seven round draft. At first the pick left me scratching my head but now I'm seeing the value in it. If McCourty can turn into a Revis type, then I don't care what anyone says about the pick now. He's got 3 years to prove it."in a vacuum" and "other positions with more desperate need"
Seems pretty clear to me.
The more I let it sink in, the more I like the guy for what he will bring. I'm still torn on where we got him weighing what was available. I'm sure BB was thinking he could get similar value for other positions of need with the RD 2 picks, or maybe even the potential picks themselves if the fall enough. Seems that CB was the way to go with it seeming to be a hot commodity later in round.
That's a great point- when your team's pick starts a run on that position, it's a good sign. It means a) that your FO correctly gauged what the following teams were angling for and beat them to the punch, and b) those teams were likely hoping for the player that you got. For example, I like Chung, but it's bugged me from the get-go that Delmas was picked directly before him. In the back of my mind, you have to wonder if he was a consolation prize.
I agree..ON PAPER..and that is all that one has now....BUT also I find that most are whining over the players NOT DRAFTED rather than one thatw as taken....not making sense.Did you watch the draft instead of looking at mocks ? There are no top CB left. There's tons of WR, OLB, etc.
Now, I'm biased as McCourty was my pick (him or Kareem Jackson but Jackson was gone) but in a passing league to get a top CB who loves playing football and is a great ST player - it's a great pick, on paper anyway.
Apparently McCourty will NOT be a ST. BB has called him a four-down player, twice.
Belichick likes 'four-down' player - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston