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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Because, until he signs it, there is always the option of rescinding it, freeing up 14M of space, and getting a 2010 3rd round comp pick.
First, teams have pulled tenders in the past. Signing the tender eliminates that scenario.
Second, considering the Pats cap issues, if the trade process lingered to the point that desired free agents were being scooped up by other teams, the Patriots may have concluded that signing the right TE, RB, CB, CB/S had more value than acquiring the highest draft pick possible. Signing the tender forced the Patriots to expedite the process, and it did.
This all sounds like a bunch of BS to me. The Pats placed the tag on him on the first possible day. And Cassell signed it on the very next day. Then they traded him on the very first day that they could. I thought it was a little odd at the time that he signed the tender when most franchised players usually wait a long time sign it. But it retrospect, I wouldn't be surprised if the 3 sides had an agreement in place as soon as Pioli became KC GM.
This is false. There were actually 2 full days of free agency that took place before Cassel was traded...
Because, until he signs it, there is always the option of rescinding it, freeing up 14M of space, and getting a 2010 3rd round comp pick.
This is false. There were actually 2 full days of free agency that took place before Cassel was traded.
Also, its pretty clear from the interviews that Cassel and his agents were under a misconception about what leverage signing the tender gave them.
The only player I have ever heard of having his tender rescinded was Jerrimiah Trotter and he was an unique case because most people thought he was a product of the Eagles system (which looked to be a correct assumption). They rescinded the tag in June or July.
Also, how did signing the tender expedite the process? When the Pats offer the tender, the money is taken off the cap whether Cassel signs it or not. I don't see how the Pats were in any different position when they traded Cassel when they traded him. It wasn't like they were going to franchise him in February and then recind the tag the first or second week of March.
This is not accurate. Vrabel was already taking his physical at 2:30 pm on the first day of free agency, and the deal was announced that same day. They just didn't announce the complete deal right away. We can speculate that there might have been an "i" to dot or something, but the deal was made on day 1.
Yeah, and again, why would the Patriots franchise Cassel and then rescind the offer a month later? It doesn't make any sense. If they were going to do that, the Pats were going to expedite the trade process whether or not Cassel signed the tender offer.
Beside, you don't know if the Pats would get third round compensation. Compensation is determined by a formula that includes the new contract, whether the player's new team goes to the playoffs (not likely for the Chiefs this year, but possible) and how far they go, and individual awards for the player (Pro Bowl, All Pro, MVP). The Pats would probably get a fourth for Cassel unless the Chiefs went to the playoffs and Cassel went to the Pro Bowl.
Yeah, and again, why would the Patriots franchise Cassel and then rescind the offer a month later? It doesn't make any sense. .
Actually, it is accurate. From my understanding, the Vrabel deal was originally a separate deal, but one the pats and chiefs rolled together as part of the Cassel deal after the fact.
We can speculate that it wasn't, but we'll never truly know.
Teams typically only rescind the tag if the player is about to sign a long term deal before the start of free agency. This would them allow them to place the tag on another free agent.
If you have an example of a team rescinding the tag other than prior to the start of free agency, please give it.
Rob - Sorry, but the primary factor is the size of the contract. All you have to do is read any one of AdamJT13's Comp Pick prediction threads to know this.
Cassel would have been a 3rd round comp regardless of any of the other things you mentioned.
If this is true it is simply astonishing, and the agent should face discipline.
You have to know the CBA as well as the average messageboard poster!
This is false. There were actually 2 full days of free agency that took place before Cassel was traded.
Also, its pretty clear from the interviews that Cassel and his agents were under a misconception about what leverage signing the tender gave them.
Actually, it is accurate. From my understanding, the Vrabel deal was originally a separate deal, but one the pats and chiefs rolled together as part of the Cassel deal after the fact.
We can speculate that it wasn't, but we'll never truly know.
Rob - Sorry, but the primary factor is the size of the contract. All you have to do is read any one of AdamJT13's Comp Pick prediction threads to know this.
Cassel would have been a 3rd round comp regardless of any of the other things you mentioned.
Because they misjudged the trade market. If it wasn't looking like a deal could happen quickly, and you were going to miss the entire FA period, it might be worth having a pick move back a round to free up 14M of cap space during FA.
Not completely true: they would have received a 3rd round comp pick for him.
Teams typically only rescind the tag if the player is about to sign a long term deal before the start of free agency. This would them allow them to place the tag on another free agent.
If you have an example of a team rescinding the tag other than prior to the start of free agency, please give it.
Rob - Sorry, but the primary factor is the size of the contract. All you have to do is read any one of AdamJT13's Comp Pick prediction threads to know this.
Cassel would have been a 3rd round comp regardless of any of the other things you mentioned.