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  1. QuiGon

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    The big galoot (talking on ESPN's NFL Live) is 100% right on. I can't remember the exact quote, but to the best of my memory he said (paraphrasing):

    "If government is going to get involved in the spygate investigation, then it has to be an umbrella investigation. Just like the Mitchell Report didn't go after one single steroid user, don't just go after the Patriots. There are 31 other teams that should be investigated and I guarantee you that some of them have been violating the same rules."
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    We know that the Jets did, theyb said so! But they assert that the Pats gave them permission, in NY this is completely plausible that the Pats gave the Jets permission to, in their words, cheat:rolleyes: so they didn't pursue this.
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    The Patriots said that they DID NOT give them permission. But it does not matter what this team says anymore. Maybe they should just exclude the Patriots from the 2008 season.
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    The Dolphins admitted doing it two years ago as well.

    Then Jimmy Johnson accused the Colts' Howard Mudd of doing it.

    In baseball, that accusation is enough to get you strung up by the NVTS.
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    I was being sarcastic, of course they didn't. My point was that NY media is in love with calling it cheating, yet they didn't find anything wrong with the premise that the Pats allowed their competitors to(in their words)"cheat" against them. Can you say AAAAAAAAholes!
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    My bad...that went right over my head.
    I'm just beaten down man. I'm so tired of this whole damn thing.
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    The Problem is that by the time that happened all the evidence would be gone (I'm guessing when New England got nabbed everyone did quite a bit of erasing and destroying video). So the likelihood of finding evidence is pretty slim, unless someone came forward and admitted to doing so, which again, isn't likely - Ian
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    I don't get why people on here hate the guy.

    He's always been VERY Pro-Patriots.
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    I have no idea whether he's pro or anti pats, but he was about the only guy on free radio I could stand to listen to.
    he always seemed to have a pretty realistic opinion, from having played.
    maybe a little hyper, but that's alright -- free radio is a sports desert.
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    Wow, so someone on ESPN made a coherent, intelligent point? Consider me shocked. I haven't watched or read that garbage since the loss.
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    100% agree with Salisbury. Wow! I never thought I would say that.

    Sorry, but the Pats violating the rules once does not give the league or the government to explore every rumor related to the Pats and no one else. That is nothing but a fishing expedition or a witch hunt.

    I hope that Goodell doesn't give Specter his request and provide immunity to Walsh so he can speak to Arlen Specter. He has no right to speak to the guy. He should stop abusing his political power and do his job.
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    Or as he calls him, The Crypt Keeper. :eek:
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    Spygate means crap to me as a Steeler fan. The only thing that would concern me as a fan of the game, is if the Pats did in anyway film the Rams pre-game walk thru to the Superbowl. That's wrong, for anyone to do.

    But as for "stealing" signs and what not. False signs and crap like that happen all the time and defensive squads audible almost as often as the offense does, so I don't see that has having a direct impact on the game, or the rules of the game. If you know I'm blitzing my safety, yeah, that's an edge, but if you have the wrong sign, and think I'm blitzing my safety, and he rolls back into coverage into the "lane" you're throwing into, that's just as bad for you.

    But the pre-game walkthru, that's a line no one should cross, and because I love the game of football, more than anything, I will not believe the Pats did it. Not to my game.

    Remember the high scoring Rams team also had problems scoring bunches of points against the Titans 2 years earlier. 23-16 final with the Titans stopped at the 1 yard line.
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    Okay.

    Goodell's position has always been the door is open if you have a credible allegtion. He says nobody has had one yet.

    The meeting is today (Goodell/Specter), but I don't think it defuses a damn thing. Likely Specter sees it as Goodell's chance to cut a deal with his Dark Lords at Comcast, in exchange for a free pass. Goodell ain't goin for that, from all appearance. It seems, thus far, that Goodell's position is that the league has nothing to hide.

    This temporarily puts him in the position of making the Pats' case vis a vis this investigation, since it is an investigation of the league, not of the Pats (in theory.)

    Now a little advice - don't pay attention to any fan of any other team, and remind yourself that you are hanging on every detail, and they are seizing on every detail that makes a case against us.

    We went 18-0 until this year's super bowl. I don't want to talk about "reasons" for losing. We were, by the end of the year, the second best team in the league. Realize what that means: we did that, in astounding fashion, under a microscope all season. For your own personal edification, this team gave you back what the media has tried to take away: it has proven to you, in no uncertain terms, that you were right. This was a type of gamesmanship that everybody has been doing (as the Miami and NY examples demonstrate.) It is, in fact, cheating (to me,) because it's breaking the rules. Just like it's speeding if you're doing 65 in a 55 zone, and a bad cop might pull over a snazzy sportscar that's doing it, but not a VW bug. (PS, don't get a red sports car... insurance guys can prove to you that you're more likely to get busted in one, and also more likely to wreck one.) Everybody else may also be speeding, but you still have to pay the ticket.

    But you are a Pats fan, and you get it. The rest of the league's fans will never get it.

    Never.

    Get your head around it. Never. We are forever "tainted" in the minds of the more uninformed fanbases around the league. But talk to anybody with any sense, and they pretty much scoff.

    At the pro bowl, our guys got booed. Booed, at the pro bowl. As if they were personally eating peanut butter and baby sandwiches or something. Guys who had no influence over a damn thing in the video department, mind you. Guys like Asante and Light...

    Why do I mention it? Because you need to understand: We are hated, and it is possible we always will be, forever, at least until all present personnel are gone -- including Brady, Belichick, and any of your other favorites.

    Get it?

    So: good idea, Salisbury. Bust the whole league, hey I am all for it. While you're at it, go after the networks pointing directional mikes at Brady while sideline cams are trained on the offensive coordinator. The hypocrisy is unbelievable. I am all for exposing it.

    But never, never underestimate the ability of other fans to pack like hyenas looking for scraps of a carcass.

    Hell, we didn't ask for this. But it's the way it is. And I'm not sure any amount off factual information will change it.

    So, if it does, fine. Cool. We can breathe easy then. But until that day, when peoples' minds change, I'll consider it to just be the expected outcome, no matter what facts are brought to bear.

    Haters gonna hate dudes.

    PFnV
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    I love Salisbury and he is completely right, which is one of the reasons why Goodell made a huge mistake in not taking care of this in-house in the first place. He should have quietly confiscated the Pats tapes and sent the other teams a memo that completely forbid the stealing/recording of signals in any way and requesting any material regarding stolen signals as well, warning everybody that to the extent they didn't comply and additional information was later revealed, the punishments would be severe and specific (loss of 1st round pick, suspension, etc.).

    Instead, he acted like a tough guy just toward the Pats and here is the fallout - a complete disaster, a ruined perfect season, the tainting of one of the jewel organizations of the league.
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    that is asinine.
    plz don't pass along 'interesting' facts from e-mail forwards and yahoo.
    you actually believe there's cause and effect between the color of your car and the chance that you'll crash into something?
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    What is asinine is someone like yourself not providing anything other than your unfounded opinion to prove someone else wrong.

    USAA, one of the best insurance carriers in the US, published every year the number of cars that are in accidents, their colors, the make, and the model. They also talk about the number of speeding tickets written.

    Guess what. Red and Black cars tend to be in MORE accidents and the drivers tend to have more tickets on average. Across the United States.

    Insurance companies have had independent studies done to prove this.

    Its not hard to understand why BLACK cars are in more accidents. Its because they are harder to see, particularly at night. And red cars because they blend in extremely well with the rising and setting sun.

    But, hey, believe whatever you want. Its just more proof that there will always be people in the world who insist on being ignorant.
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    :rofl::rofl:

    I seriously think you have a learning disability --- and that's not a joke or a put down.
    you might note I don't dispute the raw stats, but the people who like to read their 'obvious' conclusions into them.
    you guys are as bad as all the people I had to listen to all season telling me it wasn't hard to understand why BB was running up the score w/his 'eff you' td's and the chip on his shoulder.
    maybe you guys should leave the statistical interpretations to the statisticians.
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    A learning disability? Hardly. Considering that Stats & Probabilities was one of my best and favorite classes in college.

    You saying that its an OBVIOUS conclusion is like saying that there is such a thing as COMMON SENSE. There is not such thing a common sense. If there was, then 90% of the lawyers in the US would be out of work today as the number of frivolous lawsuits would disappear. We wouldn't need coffee cups on them that say "CAUTION: Contents may be hot" or Lawnmowers with labels saying " CAUTION: Do not put hand inside mower while mower is running" or labels on Gasoline cans that say "Caution: Contents may be hazardous if swallowed."
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    :rolleyes:

    god, help me......
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