Pick One: a 27 year old Wes Welker, or a 27 year old Troy Brown

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  1. Frezo

    Frezo In the Starting Line-Up

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    Who would you rather see on the Patriots right now?
    ...a 27 year old Wes Welker or a 27 year old Troy Brown.

    This question has been bugging me for a few days and I can't decide.
  2. DocHoliday

    DocHoliday In the Starting Line-Up

    Pick One

    Welker Welker Wes Welker.

    Troy Brown was great, but Wes Welker was one of a kind.
  3. Mack Herron

    Mack Herron In the Starting Line-Up

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    Troy Brown won the hearts of Patriots fans, but Wes Welker redefined the position.

    PATSYLICIOUS Pro Bowl Player

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    But I will say that I'd take a 27 year old Deion Branch over both of them. Way too clutch, a true go-to guy in the biggest games. He doesn't drop those balls.
  5. AndyJohnson

    AndyJohnson PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

    Not even close.
  6. borg

    borg In the Starting Line-Up

    Here's a 2004 Felger article when Pats extended Brown....stating among other things....Pats paid up for intangibles (guess NE didn't see any intangibles in WW)

    "Pats extend Brown through 2005
    By Michael Felger
    Tuesday, May 25, 2004

    Given his advancing age, increasing salary and moderating statistics, there was some speculation that the Patriots [stats, news] would ask Troy Brown to take a pay cut this offseason.

    Instead, the Pats decided to do the exact opposite.

    Bingo! Troy Brown's got bingo!

    The Pats last week guaranteed Brown's 2004 base salary of $2.25 million while extending the veteran receiver's contract by a year for cap purposes.

    The maneuver will save the Pats roughly $1 million against the 2004 cap while virtually ensuring that one of the most popular and recognizable players on the two-time Super Bowl champions will play this year in New England.

    It also means Brown, who will turn 33 in July, will wind up being paid all the money due to him from the five-year, $12.5 million deal he signed with the Pats in 2000.

    Brown said repeatedly this offseason he would not accept a cut.

    Brown's 2004 cap number was slated to be around $4 million. Now it's near $3 million. NFL Players' Association figures list Brown's 2005 salary at $2.5 million, which means another restructuring will be in order if Brown is to return for that season.

    Brown has agreed to similar guarantees in each of the past three years, maneuvers that have pushed roughly $3 million in prorated cap charges into future years. The latest restructuring allows the Pats to move some of that load onto the 2005 cap, which currently has considerably more room than the Pats' 2004 ledger sheet.

    Of course, Ty Law's whopping $10 million-plus cap charge continues to put the squeeze on the rest of the roster. The Pats will need to make some further minor adjustments to sign all of their rookies.

    Brown's production dipped in 2003, as he caught just 40 passes while missing four games with a hamstring injury. Brown had 97 catches in 2002 and a team-record 101 receptions in 2001.

    However, coach Bill Belichick and the Patriots clearly put a value on Brown that went beyond the statistics. Brown has been a heart-and-soul player for the Pats for years, and in each of the past three seasons he's been voted a team captain. He also is someone who quarterback Tom Brady continues to look for in big games and crucial situations. Brown caught eight passes for 76 yards in the Super Bowl win over Carolina despite playing most of the game with a broken nose.

    Brown also has been a valuable asset on special teams, especially as a sure-handed and consistent punt returner. His work in the kicking game was a huge factor during the Pats' 2001 Super Bowl run. Brown likely will continue to field punts, but the coaches might consider limiting his responsibilities to keep him fresh for the offense, something they did at times during the 2003 season.

    Brown has been training with the team this offseason in Foxboro and has been on hand at the Pats' veteran passing camp this week. "
  7. Patriot Missile

    Patriot Missile Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Wes Welker.

    Although I would take Stanley Morgan over both. I wish he had the benefit to play with Brady. He could go short,intermediate and dominated at the long ball. Can't argue with yards per catch 10000+yards and 72 td's. Guy would of been a beast here in a primarily passing offense.
  8. flasox27

    flasox27 Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

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    It depends on what the game is.
    Nobody can equal WW for regular season production but as the record shows both Brown and Branch are the ones you want on the field in the games that count.
  9. BigBeano

    BigBeano Banned

    How is this even a debate. I would not only take Brown over cant believe its not butter but it would take Givens over him as well. Brown did everything Wes did but better. Brown always got the first down always knew where the marker was. Wes was a product of Brady nothing more. Oh and Troy Brown was CLUTCH unlike butters cousin Margarine Welker. Brown always was reliable Wes doesnt have any rings cause they simply fell through his hands twice. You people in this thread clearly are stat whores give me a young clutch Troy Brown anyday.:rocker::rocker::rocker::rocker: Its not even close. Its like Peyton Manning or Brady you want the guy who is clutch?? i would hope you wouldnt want the stat padder. Step your fan game up
  10. BigBeano

    BigBeano Banned

    One of a kind? The guy was a choke artist and he coudlnt be in abetter place now. Welker wasnt putting up good numbers till Brady. System WR you will see this season
  11. AndyJohnson

    AndyJohnson PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

    They offered Welker more than double that
  12. AndyJohnson

    AndyJohnson PatsFans.com Veteran PatsFans.com Supporter

    Welker out produced them in the playoffs. Having better teammates doesn't follow the player in a hypothetical who would you rather have.
  13. KontradictioN

    KontradictioN Do you even lift? PatsFans.com Supporter

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    I have a great deal of love for Troy for what he did for the team during the dynasty years, but Welker was a lot better. This is an easy decision.
  14. Boston Boxer

    Boston Boxer U.S. Air Force Retired PatsFans.com Supporter

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    i think we need to get over Wes Welker...he is gone and we need to move on
  15. patfanken

    patfanken Experienced Starter w/First Big Contract

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    Troy Brown is the picture that you see when you look up "Patriot Way". But for this scenario, there isn't any question that the pick would be Wes Welker.
  16. Raymond

    Raymond Rotational Player and Threatening Starter's Job

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    Sure, it's all so clear.:rolleyes:


    14 seasons, 557 rec, 6366 yds, 31tds,

    Welker ( Pats only)

    6 seasons, 768 rec, 8580 yds, 38 tds.
  17. VrabelJr

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    It's hard to compare them. Brown played with an up and coming Brady in a different era of rules and Welker played with a Brady in his prime with rules greatly favoring offenses.

    Brown has legendary intangibles and leadership. Welker has ridiculous durability at a position where you're getting pounded constantly. I think as fans we're lucky that both of them donned Pats gear at one point.
  18. BoTown

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    Troy Brown. And I love Wes Welker.
  19. JoeSixPat

    JoeSixPat Pro Bowl Player


    I remember a day when we used to mock those teams who's fans got caught up in stats.

    There's no doubt Welker has the better stats if you focus not on Super Bowls, but on yards, catches and touchdowns.

    There's no doubt Brown has the better stats if you focus on winning Super Bowls.

    For Troy, I remember those "must catch" situations where he ALWAYS seemed to make that big catch to pick up the first down to win a must-win game - including some that made 3 Super Bowl Rings possible.

    No offense to Welker, but despite his impressive stats in half the time Brown was on the team, what I remember are the key DROPS that wound up costing us some big games - and, while unfair to blame only him, cost the team Super Bowl rings.

    For me it's Brown and its not even close. The stat's that count to me are Super Bowls and the big plays that get lost in blanket stat sheets.
  20. Dingleberry

    Dingleberry Third String But Playing on Special Teams

    For those quoting stats....I have to wonder how Troy Brown's stats would have compared to Welker's had his prime coincided wth the Patriots' morphing into the 2004 Colts. Can we all agree that the Patriots are not quite the defensive power they once were, and are a tad more pass-happy?

    Admittedly, Troy Brown may be my favorite player ever. My instincts are to pick him. Anybody recall the strip fumble following a TB INT against the Chargers? The guy was money in the clutch.

    But over the course of a season, I think Welker would bring you more production. Maybe. So he might be the smart chice.

    Then again, I have this feeling that Troy Brown would reach over his head and catch that ball in the last Super Bowl.

    Aww, who gives a ***?

    Give me Amendola:p
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