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  1. Disco Volante

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    Enlighten me.

    Describe to me how exactly you’d spend the money that would be saved and - to what specific defensive players you’d give it to.
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    Your right. Who else would they spend the money on? This FA class is very weak now and was 1 day ago. You don't need that much money for the rookie class. Why not sign Moss?
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    I want whatever BB and Pioli think will bring the Lombardi back to Foxboro and keep it there.

    If they cut Colvin, decline Stallworth, let Asante walk, AND let Moss walk w/o even tagging him they obviously have an idea of where else to put the money and accomplish just that.
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    Well, now that Pace is gone, they don't really have an excuse.
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    I'm beginning to wonder that mysel. Clearly they've freed up some cap room, but at some point you have to get in the game. There wasn't a lot of quality after teams used the tag anyway, and today there is far less quality, especially at LB. I'm not a huge Kawika Mitchell fan, but I had hoped they would at least make an effort to get Pace if they thought he was a fit. Either he wasn't a fit, or wanted too much money. Now we look at Clark Haggans as really the best available. Assuming there's no push for Briggs.

    Either way, I can't see BB going into the season with Bruschi, Woods and Alexander playing such huge roles (as it appears now in Feb.) at LB.
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    Never sign players for the sake of signing them. The Colts are a perfect example. They let all of their big free agents sign with other teams didn't sign anybody signifigant to replace them. In the end, they turned out to be better. On the other hand, the Pats don't have anybody in place to take over for Samuel, Moss, Stallworth like the Colts did. Just hang tight until the draft and they can always make trades with other teams.
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    Watch the last Giants drive of the superbowl, and tell me you don't want defensive help.

    But it isn't quite as simple as giving up one player to get other players.

    It is using money wisely by paying for value per buck.

    The team has done alright under BB so far. Unlighten me as to why you want them to change what they do. What team has done better in the last few years?

    They should be doing like us, not our changing to pay "whatever it takes" to keep any one player.

    You guys all need to take about a hundred kilos of valium and wake up next January.

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    Where was he in the playoffs?
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    So obviously, we would have had a first-round bye without him.
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    Read my edited post, it's more accurate to what my thoughts are.

    I agree, lot can happen in between now and August. I do disagree with the idea that Pace was a "lets just sign someone for the sake of signing someone" kind of guy. There were a lot of good posters on the board who had hoped we might have landed him. I don't think he fits that category at all. But now we move on.....
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    This year's FA class is like last year's draft. I just wish we had our original 1st round pick still, because this year's draft looks promising for secondary help.

    With some of the bigger names having already moved, I don't know where the Pats are going to spend their money at this point.
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    you gotta be kidding me...Without Moss Welker wouldnt have half the catches he had, I dont care who you are being double and tripple teamed every play your production is going to go down, man you guys must of really like the days of caldwell and gabriel...Moss opens up this offense so much but I guess you just dont get it.
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    I'm willing to bet good money that they are far apart on years, not money. I'm sure Moss is willing to take a hometown discount in cash, but I doubt he's going to take a hometown discount in terms of years. He's getting old, he wants a legitimate contract and not 1/2/3 years that the Pats are probably offering.
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    We're signing Seal?
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    didnt you hear? websters coming to town!
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    why the seal lyrics?
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    Allowing Wes Welker in the slot to get 27 receptions, including a record 11 in the Super Bowl.
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    3 years has got to be the min he would take, and probably what most teams would be comfortable offering, given his age.
    Any longer and it could have a bunch of garbage years/money at the end of it.
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    What did the 49ers do to keep there dynasty going?
    Got the best wide receiver of all time in Jerry Rice.

    When you have talent that comes once every decade, Why would you let him go?

    Even if the Pats don't sign Moss, what are they going to spend on with this weak free agency.

    What's weird is that they did not even protect themselves from the possibility of Moss leaving, by placing the franchise tag on him.

    From what I have seen so far, they seem to be clearing cap room(hopefully to sign moss). They just cut Kyle Brady, I don't know how much he was making but that move might also be to clear cap room.

    Name a defensive player that you can get this free agency, that would be better for the team than signing moss?
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    Salary cap wasn't introduced until 1994.
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    How about getting double and tripled, so that Brady could throw the short high percentage passes. In the Super bowl it wasn't his fault he was open many times, but the offensive line did not give Brady enough time to throw. They were out coached in the superbowl, instead of taking the short passes that seemed to work so well, I though they were going for the big play too much. Moss still had 6 catches and a touchdown catch against a tough Giants D that was playing well the whole game.
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    When I was taking about Jerry Rice with the 49ers, I was not making a reference to salary cap. I was just trying to say that talent of that caliber should be kept. When I was talking about the cap moves, I was just suggesting why they hadn't signed Moss yet and why they released colvin and kyle brady.
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    Well, the Pats have also deemed that signing players like Brady and Seymour to large contracts is indeed "value per buck" and I don't see how a future hall of fame WR should not fall into the same echelon of players.

    As far as the "In Belichick we trust" adage goes, though I too cater to this for the most part, he has in fact screwed up on player personnel decisions. We don't have to look all that far into the past when we saw BB and the front office enter the cut-down period of preseason with huge holes at the WR position, make a last minute desperate dash and grope at a trade for Doug Gabriel while having had ridiculous amounts of cap room to work with.

    I'm in the camp that says I'd rather not see this happen again and I'm also in the camp that says Moss can play with the best of them so he should be given a contract that represents fair market value. Unless it's in the Pats brass' plans to swing a trade for Chad Johnson, there's nobody that comes close to Moss in terms of talent at the WR position in free agency. We have some cap room and the best talent is right under our noses. Get it done!
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    Thinking about the Moss impasse, I don't think it's about money. It could possibly be about years. But the impression I get is that there is something that is not clicking between the two parties. Maybe the comfort level factor is not there. I dunno.

    The guys that have left us by and large are just where they should be, i.e., not with us. Last year's free agent blitz spoiled too many of us, 'tis true, but this year the quality and depth are just not there.

    There's ample opportunity for trades, the draft, and rookie UDFAs so we can get some things we need before camp. But let's face it - it's not like last year at all.

    Still and all, it's important to remember that, in the past, we've done more with less. It's nowhere near panic time yet.
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    They might be able to get Javon Walker for less than Moss but that is obviously a huge gamble. Even when healthy he's no Moss.

    If you want to fault BB on off-season moves, the Doug Gabriel trade isn't a very good example. That was a low risk move out of virtual desperation. The Duane Starks/Monty Beisel debacles are far more obvious IMO.
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    I don't understand why people are worried about the years.

    In 3 years, he'll be TO's current age.

    Marvin Harrison age 31-34? 49 TDs.
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    Its not like he's 34-35..he just turned 31 two weeks ago, a 4 year contract takes him to his 35th birthday, which is what TO will be turning this year, and he's getting an extension. The elite WRs usually stay elite up until around 34-36. I know a lot of NE fans want to use Dillon as a cautionary tale but WRs stay productive at a high level much longer than RBs do, and Moss doesnt get hit like Dillon did, he's the exact opposite. .
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