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    Profootballtalk reports that they do

    http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

    This thing just won't go away. As a matter of fact it just keeps getting worse. When I first heard about this story, I waited to hear more evidence before I formed an opinion. All the facts have not been revealed yet, but it's getting harder and harder to deny his involvement. It will be interesting to see how this story ends.
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    Wonder how all this neg pub, will effect all of his endorsements with Nike et al, seems as though wonder boy is exposing a very dark side of what he does with his free time. If all of this is true, the NFL will have to come down hard on him.
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    He should get the hammer worse than Pac Man got. If Jones got one year for what he did, is there a chance Vick gets banished from the league as a whole for this? I think this is worse than all of Pac Man's resume combined.
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    I'm not surprised.. I thought he was guilty from the beginning... I hope he loses everything...
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    I agree. This is no "lapse in judgment" or a guy with substance abuse issues, etc., who just needs to straighten his act out. It's someone who wilfully and calculatingly participated in an act of pure evil. If he is indicted I'd want nothing less than a one-year suspension and if found guilty, a lifetime ban from the NFL. The problem is, he can afford any lawyer in the world so chances are slim he'll pay a heavy price.
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    The real "2 Americas" problem in America: the rich who get pampered justice while the regular guys get the lethal injections.



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    I think the NFLPA would have an extremely good case in court if that were the case.
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    There are people who have testified to seeing Vick AT the dog fights....

    Ill say it again........what kind of fungus enjoys seeing two beautiful animals tear each other to pieces......Vick should be banished from the league forever!

    Have you ever seen a tame bulldog??? They are adorable
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    He'll end up being like Ray Lewis........everyone KNOWS what happened....but no one can prove it
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    As a pet owner I hope VICK dies
    you have a guy like HILL die saving a bestfriend and do so much for the community and never started a game And the you have a douch like vick
    betting and training poor dogs to kill


    p.s I hope vicks ******* falls out
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    I don't think so. This story is moving quicker then they can squash it. The league, I think, will eventually be put into a position that they will HAVE to do something.

    I would agree that they want this story to go away, desperately. It's one thing to crack the whip and be tough on an essential "small fry" like Pac Man, but altogether another for someone of Vick's standing. Vick, like it of not IS the face of the Falcons. Big Money goes in the tank with his suspension.

    It'll be interesting to follow for sure.
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    Ummmmmmm, that might be a little severe, doncha think.

    I'm a multi-pet owner my self, and think that dog-fighting is as barbaric an activity as the next guy. But DEATH. Come on dude, whipping out the D-card is a little excessive here.

    And Vick's name doesn't even belong in the same sentence as Hill's. Hill was by all accounts, a superb human being whose death, tragically mimicked the way he live his live. Helping others. Vick is a gangsta', with physical talent and not much more.
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    Well first of all, I hope the Falcons learn not to invest so much in a sub-par QB.
    And then I hop Vick gets a very large sentence, and really I could care less about him being suspended from the NFL, now some of you may be thinking "What??" But it won't matter if he was suspended or not, because he would be serving a few years in a cell.
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    I don't think this story will go away, and I tend to agree with PFT that the league seems to be onboard with it not going away. I think when Vick lied to the new Commissioner in NY during their pre draft day meeting, his fate was sealed. It's not just about Atlanta slowly coming to terms with the fact that they chose a piss-poor face for their franchise. This guy damages the entire league by association.

    I think Blank has either known about this potential dark side for some time or had an inkling it was lurking since around the time he canned Mora Jr. While he brought in Petrino as a last ditch effort to get Michael on track in hopes an on field turnaround would mute any future criticism at least locally, and I think he traded away Schaub to mute any QB controversey in the interim, he was also reportedly desperately seeking a new face of the franchise player in the draft. But his FO was unable to trade up for Calvin Johnson.

    I think now lots of folks are just waiting on an endictment. The case will likely never go to court because the Feds will swoop in once Vick needs something they have to trade like immunity for information. And I wouldn't be surprised if their threats should he choose not to cooperate would include unleashing the IRS on him. According to that report on ESPN another troubling aspect of this situation is the allegation that Vick was betting substantially on and fighting dogs before he graduated from VA Tech. And winning.

    The NFL security force is a plumb job that has attracted lots of retired FBI agents and the like. These guys aren't dolts like Poindexter and the local Surry County Sheriff. They have the training and the means to either shield you or help nail you. And in Vick's case they don't seem to be inclined to quash this or as PFT opines a lot of this would not have seen the light of day.

    I think given the NFL's determination to market their sport outside the USA, Goodell is on a mission to dramatically change the culture lest the product become unpalatable to international audiences. What he may be finding out is he is up against a hardcore subculture that scoffs at wrist slapping attempts at discipline, and only truly responds to being hit over the head with a 2 by 4. Repeatedly.

    Ray Lewis got away with what he was at least involved in. But that was then, and it apparently was an isolated incident since Ray-Ray has kept his nose clean since, and this is now. Maybe if Tag's had had the stones to take on Ray back then his successor wouldn't have needed to go tactical nuclear in the new millenium. But Tags was a builder, and Goodell is apparently destined to be the enforcer who insures what was built isn't damaged by some of the talent it attracts to the point it can't continue to grow and expand.
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    I'll say this....if Vick breaks his leg again I'll only be sorry it was not his neck.
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    I think the whole planet thinks that he's guilty. It's just a matter of assembling a case and going through proper procedures.
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    Bovine pasture patties !!!.

    I am so sick of phonies that say America is the font of all evil. That diagnosis is not particularly an American problem. America has stopped some of its own evil ones. Capone, Gotti died impoverished in jail. Many other high and mighty ones fell too. As will stupid Vick, if it is true.

    It is universal problem that America faces much better than others. The powerful are often REALLY above the law. Did Pol Pot pay a price? or Stalin? or Mao ? or Milosevic? or any other number of wonderful people like Osama? The few that did were removed with American help... Adolf, Il Duce, Tojo, Saddam Hussein, to name a few.

    Castro will probably take his stolen billions to his grave in the numbered Swiss bank accounts that makes Forbes rank him as one the wealthiest men in the world. Will he pay for killing more Latin Americans than any other "caudillo" in Latin American history?

    The same cloacal cavities that criticize America, will rush to Cuba to kiss his arse and bow and scrape to that wonderful genocidal killer. Michael Moore anyone, or any number of Hollyweird "more money than brains" useful idiots??

    Now that Chavez is acting fully like the Castro-wannabe, taht he always was and is, I don't hear the Junior Kennedys or the Massachusett Democrats congressmen ( Markey? Meecham??) who cheered him as he tossed a few crumbs at them and they gave him fervent support. Will they pay anything for the complicity in the coming murders. That is the real scandal...
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    Interesting assessment. I hope what you say about Goodell is true. While I don't care much for his zeal for promoting the NFL internationally, his apparent willingness to deal forcefully with wayward players is encouraging. The "hardcore subculture" you refer to, essentially, is a racial anomaly pitting "gangsta" codes of conduct against conventional laws/morality. The NFL is a unique stage on which to watch something like this play out.
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    That's what happens when you read the rumormill too much?

    You start putting question marks after statements instead of after questions, where they belong?
    :D
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    Source: Vick probe receiving increased attention from feds

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2888085

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    I'll tell you one thing: the hush money must be flying fast and furious out of Vick's wallet about now. A few high-priced lawyers likely have their paws in there as well.
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    Really? Where did you see this?

    How is there even any testifying being done. At a grand jury? How could you or anyone else know what is happening in a grand jury?
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    Okay relax, I'm pretty sure they meant "confirming" he was at dogfights rather that testifying. The informant they had on ESPN with his face blocked out stated he had seen Vick at dogfights, and yes they were prior to his being drafted but to me, a leopard doesn't change its spots, or however that saying goes. In other words, once a dog-fighting scumbag, always a dog-fighting scumbag.
    Rot in hell with pit bulls trained to attack while tethered to a rape stand, Vick.
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    I'm not saying that message boards have to conform to Roberts' rules of order, but at the end of the day, notwithstanding all the crying about "high priced lawyers" and stuff, there is a reason we have courts and judges and lawyers.

    To say that there has been testimony against Vick is a pretty serious thing to say. Anyone can say anything with a blanket pulled over their face. It's another thing to publicly say, upon penalty of prison if you lie, that someone did something.

    There's plenty of time to go nuts about the guy once there is more information and if and when there actually is "testimony" that is believable.
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    what did fungus ever do to deserve that comparison?? :(
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    The thing to worry about isn't Vick's high priced lawyers, its a couple of people from his entourage taking the blame for him and lying to keep him out of jail. I would honestly be shocked if he does any jail time.

    It will be interesting to see what the NFL does if Vick is acquited at trial.
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    Not likely. Heck, it may not matter if Vick goes to jail himself.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2888085

    And it looks like the Feds may trump the locals to make sure that croney DA Poindexter doesn't mess it up.
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    Give us a bit of credit, we are all smart enough to realize that there has been no formal legal proceedings therefore there has been no "testimony", but there has been confirmation of Vick's involvement. If you listen to the humane society reps who are very well versed in this disgusting practice, they have stated that from what they have seen, there is no doubt dog fighting was going on at that house of horrors. And if it were me and I knew I was innocent, I would be shouting from the rooftops my innocence. Vick's silence speaks volumes.
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    Seems we are miscommunicating. Perhaps sarcasm on message boards is so rampant that everyone assumes one is being sarcastic all the time. When I asked if there were testimony, I wasn't.

    My view on Vick is that if he were actively involved in dog fighting, he should go to jail and perhaps not play in the NFL for a long long time until he demonstrates that he understands what he did is wrong and apologizes for it in a believable way.

    That said, I'm in no rush to reach a judgment on this thing, and, frankly, I don't understand why anyone would be. To me, it makes no difference personally whether I decide Vick is a scumbag today or in July some time. There are enough incidents recently of false rushes to judgment because the media needs to fill 24 hours that my preference is to wait. I'm not really interested in what "witnesses" with blankets pulled over their faces have or haven't said, nor am I interested in what advocacy groups (even extremely well meaning and important groups like the Humane Society) have to say. Nor am I going to make a judgment on what Vick has or hasn't said to date. I'm going to wait to see whether and how the facts come in. I understand that others have already made up their mind or have strong opinions, and that's fine. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, and my way of looking at these issues is no better or worse than anyone else's.

    If there were "testimony," or reports of testimony, it would be interesting to me. When someone posted there was, I assumed that either I had missed something (I'm not following this that closely), that a grand jury had been empaneled, or that someone was overstating it, so I asked a question. It has nothing to do with giving anyone credit or not.

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