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http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

HIGH-LEVEL SOURCE SAYS NFL BELIEVES VICK IS GUILTY

A source with direct involvement in league management issues tells us that the NFL believes that Michael Vick had full knowledge of and involvement in the dog-fighting operation discovered last month at his property in Virginia.

Let's repeat that one.

A source with direct involvement in league management issues tells us that the NFL believes that Michael Vick had full knowledge of and involvement in the dog-fighting operation discovered last month at his property in Virginia.

Per the source, NFL Security has been investigating the situation actively, and the information that NFL Security has obtained has resulted in a belief at the upper reaches of the organization that Vick's past denial is untrue.

Another source with knowledge of the situation confirms that, at last week's ownership meetings in Nashville, discussions regarding conversations with NFL Security indicated the league's belief that the evidence points to a conclusion that Vick was actively involved in dogs fighting.

This disclosure explains a lot of things, in our view. It was after last week's ownership meetings that rumors percolated through the league that the Falcons are bracing for a suspension of Vick. It was also after these meetings that reports surfaced of NFL Security's offer of assistance to Surry County, Virginia investigators. And it was after these meetings that ESPN jumped into the fray with a fat-guy cannonball, airing claims from a witness with a shielded face and altered voice who says that Vick is a dog-fighting "heavyweight."

We still don't know whether Vick will ever be convicted. His wealth can purchase the best legal talent in the land, and it's not all that hard to weave reasonable doubt into any set of facts. But the irreparable damage to Vick's football career will be done the moment that charges are filed. We firmly believe that, once indicted, he promptly will be suspended, and the Falcons will eventually cut him.

Since the Raiders have drafted their quarterback of the future, the one team who might be interested in giving him a second chance would have no need for him.

Even if Vick somehow avoids an indictment, his marketability is now shot, and his image is forever tarnished. Plus, his decision to remain silent in the face of day after day of damaging revelations has put his reputation, we believe, beyond the point of no return.

In fact, Vick's best bet at this point might be to cop a plea, testify against others, enter rehab for whatever condition he says contributed to any antisocial behavior to which he admits, and then hope for redemption.

This thing just won't go away. As a matter of fact it just keeps getting worse. When I first heard about this story, I waited to hear more evidence before I formed an opinion. All the facts have not been revealed yet, but it's getting harder and harder to deny his involvement. It will be interesting to see how this story ends.
 
Wonder how all this neg pub, will effect all of his endorsements with Nike et al, seems as though wonder boy is exposing a very dark side of what he does with his free time. If all of this is true, the NFL will have to come down hard on him.
 
He should get the hammer worse than Pac Man got. If Jones got one year for what he did, is there a chance Vick gets banished from the league as a whole for this? I think this is worse than all of Pac Man's resume combined.
 
I'm not surprised.. I thought he was guilty from the beginning... I hope he loses everything...
 
I'm not surprised.. I thought he was guilty from the beginning... I hope he loses everything...

I agree. This is no "lapse in judgment" or a guy with substance abuse issues, etc., who just needs to straighten his act out. It's someone who wilfully and calculatingly participated in an act of pure evil. If he is indicted I'd want nothing less than a one-year suspension and if found guilty, a lifetime ban from the NFL. The problem is, he can afford any lawyer in the world so chances are slim he'll pay a heavy price.
 
I agree. This is no "lapse in judgment" or a guy with substance abuse issues, etc., who just needs to straighten his act out. It's someone who wilfully and calculatingly participated in an act of pure evil. If he is indicted I'd want nothing less than a one-year suspension and if found guilty, a lifetime ban from the NFL. The problem is, he can afford any lawyer in the world so chances are slim he'll pay a heavy price.



The real "2 Americas" problem in America: the rich who get pampered justice while the regular guys get the lethal injections.



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is there a chance Vick gets banished from the league as a whole for this?
I think the NFLPA would have an extremely good case in court if that were the case.
 
There are people who have testified to seeing Vick AT the dog fights....

Ill say it again........what kind of fungus enjoys seeing two beautiful animals tear each other to pieces......Vick should be banished from the league forever!

Have you ever seen a tame bulldog??? They are adorable
 
I agree. This is no "lapse in judgment" or a guy with substance abuse issues, etc., who just needs to straighten his act out. It's someone who wilfully and calculatingly participated in an act of pure evil. If he is indicted I'd want nothing less than a one-year suspension and if found guilty, a lifetime ban from the NFL. The problem is, he can afford any lawyer in the world so chances are slim he'll pay a heavy price.

He'll end up being like Ray Lewis........everyone KNOWS what happened....but no one can prove it
 
As a pet owner I hope VICK dies
you have a guy like HILL die saving a bestfriend and do so much for the community and never started a game And the you have a douch like vick
betting and training poor dogs to kill


p.s I hope vicks ******* falls out
 
He'll end up being like Ray Lewis........everyone KNOWS what happened....but no one can prove it

I don't think so. This story is moving quicker then they can squash it. The league, I think, will eventually be put into a position that they will HAVE to do something.

I would agree that they want this story to go away, desperately. It's one thing to crack the whip and be tough on an essential "small fry" like Pac Man, but altogether another for someone of Vick's standing. Vick, like it of not IS the face of the Falcons. Big Money goes in the tank with his suspension.

It'll be interesting to follow for sure.
 
As a pet owner I hope VICK dies

Ummmmmmm, that might be a little severe, doncha think.

I'm a multi-pet owner my self, and think that dog-fighting is as barbaric an activity as the next guy. But DEATH. Come on dude, whipping out the D-card is a little excessive here.

And Vick's name doesn't even belong in the same sentence as Hill's. Hill was by all accounts, a superb human being whose death, tragically mimicked the way he live his live. Helping others. Vick is a gangsta', with physical talent and not much more.
 
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Well first of all, I hope the Falcons learn not to invest so much in a sub-par QB.
And then I hop Vick gets a very large sentence, and really I could care less about him being suspended from the NFL, now some of you may be thinking "What??" But it won't matter if he was suspended or not, because he would be serving a few years in a cell.
 
I don't think this story will go away, and I tend to agree with PFT that the league seems to be onboard with it not going away. I think when Vick lied to the new Commissioner in NY during their pre draft day meeting, his fate was sealed. It's not just about Atlanta slowly coming to terms with the fact that they chose a piss-poor face for their franchise. This guy damages the entire league by association.

I think Blank has either known about this potential dark side for some time or had an inkling it was lurking since around the time he canned Mora Jr. While he brought in Petrino as a last ditch effort to get Michael on track in hopes an on field turnaround would mute any future criticism at least locally, and I think he traded away Schaub to mute any QB controversey in the interim, he was also reportedly desperately seeking a new face of the franchise player in the draft. But his FO was unable to trade up for Calvin Johnson.

I think now lots of folks are just waiting on an endictment. The case will likely never go to court because the Feds will swoop in once Vick needs something they have to trade like immunity for information. And I wouldn't be surprised if their threats should he choose not to cooperate would include unleashing the IRS on him. According to that report on ESPN another troubling aspect of this situation is the allegation that Vick was betting substantially on and fighting dogs before he graduated from VA Tech. And winning.

The NFL security force is a plumb job that has attracted lots of retired FBI agents and the like. These guys aren't dolts like Poindexter and the local Surry County Sheriff. They have the training and the means to either shield you or help nail you. And in Vick's case they don't seem to be inclined to quash this or as PFT opines a lot of this would not have seen the light of day.

I think given the NFL's determination to market their sport outside the USA, Goodell is on a mission to dramatically change the culture lest the product become unpalatable to international audiences. What he may be finding out is he is up against a hardcore subculture that scoffs at wrist slapping attempts at discipline, and only truly responds to being hit over the head with a 2 by 4. Repeatedly.

Ray Lewis got away with what he was at least involved in. But that was then, and it apparently was an isolated incident since Ray-Ray has kept his nose clean since, and this is now. Maybe if Tag's had had the stones to take on Ray back then his successor wouldn't have needed to go tactical nuclear in the new millenium. But Tags was a builder, and Goodell is apparently destined to be the enforcer who insures what was built isn't damaged by some of the talent it attracts to the point it can't continue to grow and expand.
 
I don't think this story will go away, and I tend to agree with PFT that the league seems to be onboard with it not going away. I think when Vick lied to the new Commissioner in NY during their pre draft day meeting, his fate was sealed. It's not just about Atlanta slowly coming to terms with the fact that they chose a piss-poor face for their franchise. This guy damages the entire league by association.

I think Blank has either known about this potential dark side for some time or had an inkling it was lurking since around the time he canned Mora Jr. While he brought in Petrino as a last ditch effort to get Michael on track in hopes an on field turnaround would mute any future criticism at least locally, and I think he traded away Schaub to mute any QB controversey in the interim, he was also reportedly desperately seeking a new face of the franchise player in the draft. But his FO was unable to trade up for Calvin Johnson.

I think now lots of folks are just waiting on an endictment. The case will likely never go to court because the Feds will swoop in once Vick needs something they have to trade like immunity for information. And I wouldn't be surprised if their threats should he choose not to cooperate would include unleashing the IRS on him. According to that report on ESPN another troubling aspect of this situation is the allegation that Vick was betting substantially on and fighting dogs before he graduated from VA Tech. And winning.

The NFL security force is a plumb job that has attracted lots of retired FBI agents and the like. These guys aren't dolts like Poindexter and the local Surry County Sheriff. They have the training and the means to either shield you or help nail you. And in Vick's case they don't seem to be inclined to quash this or as PFT opines a lot of this would not have seen the light of day.

I think given the NFL's determination to market their sport outside the USA, Goodell is on a mission to dramatically change the culture lest the product become unpalatable to international audiences. What he may be finding out is he is up against a hardcore subculture that scoffs at wrist slapping attempts at discipline, and only truly responds to being hit over the head with a 2 by 4. Repeatedly.

Ray Lewis got away with what he was at least involved in. But that was then, and it apparently was an isolated incident since Ray-Ray has kept his nose clean since, and this is now. Maybe if Tag's had had the stones to take on Ray back then his successor wouldn't have needed to go tactical nuclear in the new millenium. But Tags was a builder, and Goodell is apparently destined to be the enforcer who insures what was built isn't damaged by some of the talent it attracts to the point it can't continue to grow and expand.

Interesting assessment. I hope what you say about Goodell is true. While I don't care much for his zeal for promoting the NFL internationally, his apparent willingness to deal forcefully with wayward players is encouraging. The "hardcore subculture" you refer to, essentially, is a racial anomaly pitting "gangsta" codes of conduct against conventional laws/morality. The NFL is a unique stage on which to watch something like this play out.
 
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Profootballtalk reports that they do

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm



This thing just won't go away. As a matter of fact it just keeps getting worse. When I first heard about this story, I waited to hear more evidence before I formed an opinion. All the facts have not been revealed yet, but it's getting harder and harder to deny his involvement. It will be interesting to see how this story ends.

That's what happens when you read the rumormill too much?

You start putting question marks after statements instead of after questions, where they belong?
:D
 
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Source: Vick probe receiving increased attention from feds

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2888085

Two law enforcement officials familiar with the investigation have told ESPN.com they believe there is sufficient evidence to indict Michael Vick in connection with a suspected dogfighting ring that was run on property the Falcons quarterback owned in Virginia.

The sources, however, cautioned this week that, based on the current evidence, it might be difficult to successfully prosecute Vick, who has denied knowledge of dog fighting at the property in Surry County.

"There is probably enough there to bring a bill [of indictment]," said one source, "but how some of [the evidence] would play out at trial, or if it even reached a trial ... I just don't know. These kinds of prosecutions are tough. There are some holes, definitely, and that's why [investigators] are digging for more information. You want more than just smoke. You're always looking for the smoking gun.

"I mean, what you think you know and what you know you know, and what you can prove to other people you know ... well, they aren't always the same. But this is a fluid thing, so we'll see where it goes."

It would help [the case], obviously, if someone stepped up with something concrete. A figure in a shadow, with a Darth Vader-type voice, that's fine, but sooner or later someone has to put their hand on a Bible in front of a jury.

On Wednesday, Surry County Commonwealth's Attorney Gerald G. Poindexter told ESPN that he recently received a call from a person whom he deemed credible, and that the informant gave him information regarding the ongoing investigation. Television station WAVY of Portsmouth, Va., reported Wednesday that informants have come forward who have said that they can link Vick to dogfighting.

"We have people who are volunteering to make those allegations," Poindexter said. Asked if there was evidence that placed Vick at dog fights, Poindexter said, "Yes."
 
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