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  1. JR4

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    Ok I was reluctant to buy into this but after listening to people tell
    me it is true and considering some what I've seen/heard I am wondering.

    here's some stuff to consider.

    1. NBA is on record that refs take pay offs to influence game out comes
    and the ref caught said he is not the only one doing it. Is it a stretch to
    think there may be NFL refs doing it also?

    2. PATs with an offense scoring 30+ points a game just finished off a team
    with a pretty good defense in the playoffs with 40+ points and is held to
    13 points by an old D.

    3. The ratings for a Harbaugh vs Harbaugh Superbowl were off the scales.
    There are billions involved here folks. With that much money at stake it is
    possible some people were bought to influence the outcome of the game?

    4. Tom Brady. Think about his body language. Did he seem like
    he was really playing to win? To me he didn't have that fire in his eyes.
    His body language seemed to say " I already know what the outcome will be .. so why try hard .. I'll just do what I'm paid to do"

    Consider it all ask yourself ...
    does it make sense that this offense is held to 13 points with NO points in the second half?

    It almost seems like the no 2nd half points was
    a rebellion to the game being fixed .... the only way that they could
    say it was fixed without saying it verbally.

    Thoughts?
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    My thoughts? Ok since you asked...

    Please stop posting or ban yourself until the medication kicks in.

    Thankee
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    since you are new here and you responded in a few seconds ...
    maybe you're an NFL plant to squash such threads.
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    People will bash you, but its the offseason for the pats so F it, its worth a discussion.

    I think in order for the NFL to be rigged like pro wrestling, that to many people would have to be involved, and SOMEONE would have leaked it by now and made billions off of books and movies and what not. However, I do belive, 100% that the refs are told to try and influence games from time to time.
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    No conspiracy.

    It was however interesting to hear Eric Mangini discuss the keys to the game on Mike and Mike this morning.

    Basically he said that it was obvious from early on that roughing up wide receivers was NOT going to be called, and that this disrupted the Patriots offense. He specifically pointed out an early no call where Lloyd took a two-handed shot to the face as he was trying to get off the line, and other instances where there was a lot of contact beyond 5 yards.

    Mangini was giving the view of a defensive coach, mind you, and he wasn't really criticizing the officials but rather pointing out that the Ravens were extremely wise to take note of this and use it to their maximum advantage.

    He further said that it was in fact very similar to his own approach, whe he was on the Patriots staff, to defending the Colts receivers in the games were Polian famously blew a gasket of the lack of calls for being too physical with Colts receivers.
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    Please note: the NFL assigned a ref and staff that was noted for "letting players play" If they knew this would doom the PATs is this not part of such a conspiracy?
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    The head ref was known for not calling a lot of holding calls during the regular season ("letting them play") but also for calling a lot of pass interference calls ("calling it tight in the passing game")

    so your assertion is incorrect.

    Also, regular season officiating crews are broken up to make "all star" crews in the postseason, so regulars season trends extrapolated to a postseason game based solely on the head ref are always dubious at best.
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    It's easy to see conspiracies when you're still recovering from an emotional loss that came in a fairly unexpected manner. More likely than an NFL fix, the Ravens are a tough, talented team and they just played better than the Pats did Sunday.

    There were three plays that effectively killed the Pats chances in the second half, and none of them were effected by the refs: Welker's drop on 3rd down, Ridley's fumble (while he was probably blacked out), and the first interception that came on a tipped ball. If the NFL was fixing this game, the Pats may have been in on it.
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    You make good points. But NO points in the second half? come on while
    Ravens D is good they are not that good. We have all seen PATs make
    mistakes like you mentioned but come back stronger to over come.
    (SF game to wit )

    They seem to have no fight, no desire and that may
    have had to do with Brady's body language.
    Tell me this was the Brady you are use to seeing on the side lines walking
    up an down firing player up?
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    I can tell you you are not the first guy to think of this. I spoke with one of the guys here at work Monday AM, and he mentioned it as well. I will grant you he's a conspiracy "nut" to a certain extent. I think anytime there's a lot of money at stake, there is a level of mistrust by certain aspects of our society. I find it hard to believe that the NFL could be this dirty, but there have been rumors of NASCAR driver's getting "the call" for years. I am going to go with "no, there's no fix" but if some enterprising young Woodward and Bernstein type dug deep... who knows what they'd find. I would wager that if they pulled back the curtain of the NFL and we had 100% transparency, none of us would like the results. PED's, crooked Dr's, cheating, criminal activity and subsequent cover ups would likely get exposed. So in my mind, it's a case of how far do you want to believe the rabbit hole goes? I'm going to put on my officially licensed NFL gear, sit here and tell you to fix is not in. I simply do not like the alternative.
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    I still think Ridley was down by contact.

    I agree though that if the Ravens' DBs were playing rough and not being called then the Pats should have done likewise. That's one of the keys to them beating the Rams in 2001.

    Are the Pats DBs not physical?
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    So the fact that the Pats actually lost a game indicates a conspiracy? Did Brady conspire with the D- lineman who swatted his pass for an INT? Did Ridley conspire with Pollard to get knocked out?

    So Brady was resigned that he was battling a vast conspracy and lost all hope and desire to rally his team mates? Is it within the realm of possibility that the Pats were simply outplayed and were unable to make adequate adjustments? Nah, that's a wacky premise...the conspiracy theory makes far more sense.;)
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    You can build a story around any match-up IMO, Manning TB in the AFCCG would'v been a great story or Manning in the SB, a Rookie vs Rookie QB SB, etc...

    SF and the Ravens are 2 really good teams and the Jerkbaugh's are 2 really good coaches, nothing surprising about this to me.
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    Well put
    Never attribute to complex conspiracy that which has mundane easily attributed ineptness.

    Thread Ignore ON!
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    Never attribute to complex conspiracy that which has mundane easily attributed ineptness.


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    Right .. one of the best offenses ever held to NO points in the second half.
    I am sure you believe that makes sense.
    When defenders can hang on receivers and no calls made, what adjustments are to be made? Refs were deciding the game at that point
    and the players knew it.
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    As a cop I learned a long time ago that there are two groups of people that you should never try to have a rational conversation with- drunks and those who fashion their hats out of tin foil.

    Having said that I just cannot help myself...:D

    Do you think that's why BB didn't want to do that post game interview...he was *gasp* afraid to blow the lid on the whole shadow operation?:eek:
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    Peyton Manning had one of the best seasons in the history of the NFL in 2004, breaking (at the time) the single season touchdown record. The Pats then held him to 3 points FOR THE WHOLE GAME. And this was after the Pats had won two out of three Super Bowls, so I doubt the NFL was dying to see them get to their third. What happened in that game? The Patriots had a great gameplan, and they executed it perfectly. I choose to give them credit for that, and it would be hypocritical to turn around and refuse to give Baltimore full credit for taking care of business Sunday night.
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    This is not only ridiculous, it's bad for the Pats. Accept responsibility where responsibility lies. The only "conspiracy" has been with our own FO and coaching staff, in trading the team's identity as a tough, physical, clutch team and morphing into the the latest version of the Bills teams of the 1990's, the 1999-2001 Rams, and the 2003-2007 Colts. A very good, high scoring team, but one which just isn't defined by those same attributes any more. That seems to have been a calculated decision made after 2006 when the team lost in the AFCCG to the Colts. But the results suggest that "black and blue" teams still do pretty well come playoff time.

    We've turned into the 1984 LA Lakers. The Ravens were the Celtics, and Bernard Pollard clotheslined us just like Kevin McHale did to Kurt Rambis. If the shoe had been on the other foot, we'd be cheering. Just because it happened to us doesn't mean it was a "conspiracy". Take it like a man, and figure out how to hit back harder next time if you don't want to be bullied.
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    Not to derail this gem of a thread but yowzaa...who is that?:eek:
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    Why do you think no post game interview by BB?
    Because he was a sore sport?
    Is that like BB? Has he not interviewed after a bad loss in the past and
    give the other team all the praise and say where he and his team failed.
    Why not this game? Was his feelings hurt and felt he would cry?

    Why? you tell me why he was so unlike Bill Belichick?

    I'm waiting for this one.
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    My thoughts exactly. If she's selling the conspiracy theory, I'm buying it.
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    :confused:**sigh** I understand the frustration to see the Pats come out lay a big, fat, goose egg out there in the middle of Gillette Stadium. Honestly, the 2 best teams are playing in the SuperBowl this year. It's that simple.
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    practice squad, please....

    This topic is an embarrassment, listening to people claiming to be Pats fans whining like little Colt fans about the bad old referees and how the world is out to get them.

    Do you wish we had a Bill Polian in charge who could hold a press conference and cobble together videos of possible infractions that he thinks were ignored?

    News flash: The Ravens played a better football game than we did. If the game is being reffed a certain way, you adjust, suck it up, and deal with it.
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    More to the point It's also bad for you. This is one of your main stays. It is what you pride yourself in. You're knowledge of the game and your daily
    expositions are legendary. To think for a moment that your pride and joy could be in part a sort of scam is unthinkable and abhorrent.

    Your response and that of addicted PATs fans is understandable.
    I am not sure the game was fixed but there are many things I don't
    understand and am will to consider possible explanations even it makes
    me feel uncomfortable.

    Just remember BILLIONS of dollars are involved and when there is that much money there is bound to be corruption whether you like it or not.
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    If op is suggesting it is possible that a single game official was bought or otherwise corrupted....... OK. But it would be next to impossible for that one person to dictate the outcome of the game without it being pretty darn evident to the other officials.
    Consequently the liklihood of some nefarious cabal operating on a game they cannot insure the outcome of is ..... well, not likely.

    As for the NFL involving itself.......ain't ever happening. They are a multi billion dollar operation and are not about to jeopardize their success by attempting to fix the outcome of a game. Especially highly scrutinized games in the play offs. There is no way they would not be exposed.

    Yes a single official could change the outcome of a game IF he were in position to make the game changing call very late in the game. But there is no way to insure that corrupted official will be any where near the critical play at the critical time. Would you bet big bucks on that scenario?

    In other words. We lost. Get over it.
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