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  1. Rob0729

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    Ok, here is what I am hoping for in free agency. I am trying to be realistic and not predicting things that will never happen like the Pats signing Aso, Holmes, or any other big name free agent:

    1.) Sign Mathias Kiwanuka (although I think the Pats are more likely signing Matt Roth)
    2.) Resign Brandon McGowan, Jarrad Page, and Matt Light - All would be short term deals. I think Light will take a hometown discount, but the Pats will have to be somewhat competitive. He is the least likely to return of the three.
    3.) Sign James Jones - versatile WR who can run any route and won't be commanding top dollar since I don't think Belichick will spend the money to get one of the top guys like Holmes, Rice, or Floyd. This guy has the chance to really breakout.
    4.) Sign Marcus Spears - The guy was better under Parcells' system than Wade Phillips'. Has been a solid player, but really fell short of his first round status. Will come at a bargain. The Pats may be all set at DE though.
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    In regards to #2: 2 safeties? Not a big Sanders fan are we? I agree that McGowan would be cheap, but I'm not sure about Page.
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    Matt Light refused the contract we offered him pre lockout.

    Hell no to James Jones

    Also dont think we have a chance at Roth or Kiwi.

    Marcus Spears is crap.
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    I forgot about Sanders on the roster, but word is that he might be traded.
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    Yeah, so? If this was a regular offseason, even if he ultimately decided to resign with the Patriots he would decline a contract until he got to free agency unless the Pats' offer was really overpaying for him. Light has nothing to lose by checking out free agency and then take the Pats' deal if the offers aren't there.

    I kinda like the guy. He wouldn't be my first choice if all things are equal, but I don't think the Pats will sign a top tier free agent WR. Between him and the older guys on their last legs, Jones is the better choice IMHO.
    Also dont think we have a chance at Roth or Kiwi.

    Marcus Spears isn't crap. He isn't bad. He is one of those guys who came in as a first round pick with lofty expectations and turned into a guy who can be a solid, but unremarkable starter who is a victim of his own expectations. He would come here and be more likely to be a starter on this roster than anyone other than Ty Warren or maybe Mike Wright (although Wright is more of a subpackage specialist). Brace and Pryor have yet to show the consistency. I think Marcus Stroud may have something left, but I would rather have Spears at this point.
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    Word is always that he might be traded.
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    Touche sir

    Egh i dont care for him. Its a matter of personal opinion and you def have the right to yours of course.

    Spears never turned into the guy that Parcells expected him to be, which is why i think Parcells would tell BB to stay away. And Beli and Parcells still do keep contact and im pretty sure since parcells is out he wouldnt mind giving him an expectation.
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    I've been of the opinion for awhile that much work between agents, free agents themselves, undrafted rookie free agents, and between organizations regarding trades has been going on behind the scenes for quite some time.

    This article makes note of similar efforts taking place before the lockout at the Combine - though I tend to think conversations have continued whether "legal" or not, with few organizations or players having any interest in leveling tampering charges this year.

    NFL teams got head start on free agency during combine - chicagotribune.com

    I think free agency will still be quite "wild" - but I continue to think that BB has a plan in place and maybe even some agreements ready to go.

    Regardless, all things being equal, the Patriots are MUCH better off than other teams lack starting QBs or other key positions heading into the shortened free agency (not to mention the shortened practice time prior to the regular season)
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    I don't know if Parcells hates Spears. Word was that before he left Miami that Parcells tried to trade to get Spears, but Jerry Jones wouldn't give him up unless Parcells seriously overpaid for him. Just because he didn't turn into the player Parcells hoped for, doesn't mean that Parcells didn't value his contribution anyway.

    BTW, I forgot to respond to you Kiwanuka and Roth comment. I think both guys will have less of a market than you think. I think the fans are more hot on them than most teams will be. Kiwanuka has a big injury concern. Roth doesn't have the track record. Although with a lot of teams having to spend a lot of money, you never know.
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    Aside from hinting at interest, I really doubt a lot of deals have been negotiated ahead of FA given that FO's didn't know what the cap was going to be or how money was going to be treated until last week.
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    The only word that Sanders may be traded is from delusional posters on Patsfans.com who can't believe that Sanders is actually a valuable contributor.
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    Well, someone might give a late round conditional pick. They are not going to get more than a conditional 5th or 6th, but even that is not a likely scenario.
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    I could really grow to like such a signing - it might or might not address what I think is a need for a deep WR threat - but Brady likes all around WRs who can run accurate routes more than one trick ponies and having some long-term versatile WR help would be a big plus.

    He might even have the deep WR skills I think we need (though just hasn't been called on t showcase it)

    If deep WR is indeed a priority, I can't help but wonder whether Donte Stallworth has anything left. He didn't have a bad season with Brady, but at $6 million for year #2, and with Moss already in the fold, barring a 200 catch season he was going to be cut from the Patriots that season no matter what.

    Since he was cut from the Patriots I've been watching to see if it could be determined whether he still had his pre-Patriots deep threat skills. Unfortunately for Donte, injuries and incarceration have prevented him from proving that one way or another ever since 2007.

    That being said, even in his prime I don't think Stallworth is as good an all-around WR and route runner as others available or already on the team.

    But if he can be that one trick pony, beating DBs deep on a simple fly route, he could probably be had quite cheaply, and offers the plus of already being familiar with the team, Brady and vice versa.

    This team can go far without a deep threat WR - but how far is the question, and I see no reason not to handicap Brady by going into a season without a deep threat WR as was the case in 2006 with Reche Caldwell (though our other WRs are much better today).
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    So is James Jones basically the equivalent of Jabar Gaffney? Or slightly better?
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    Given his familiarity with the system, and the drastically shortened pre-season, I think its Donte Stallworth's gig to lose. Whether he ultimately makes the team, however, remains to be seen.
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    Familiarity? Thats the reason he was cut! He couldnt become familiar!
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    He was cut because he was due a huge roster bonus and he wasn't worth the money he was being offered. I am not advocating getting him back because his role did diminish over the season in 2007, but his familiarity to the playbook was not why he was cut.
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    Delusional? That would be me. $3m for a backup safety with mediocre ability is not the smart move methinks, Cousin. Rather give it to Light and resign Page.

    Brown has a year under his belt and they did sign Barrett. Dowling might be a Safety for BB or even Arrington.

    A waste of $3m when we have other needs.For a little more you can get Weddle with more range, just as smart and more 2010 tackles. Call me delusional. There are better values.

    This is one mans opinion. We have others here who liken him to Ed Reed though. He does not start here.
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    I'd love to keep Matt Light. But, KC has 30m to spend. And Scott Pioli knows all about Matt. However, Matt did start as a rookie in 2001. And, Nate Solder can do the same this year. Mankins started as a rookie in 2005. And, Dan Koppen did in 2003. Not the end of the world if we lose Light. I'm curious to see what vets get released. Honestly, I'd rather have Willis McGahee than K. Faulk. I want a bigger goal line back, I feel Woodhead and Vereen make Faulk's skill set expendable.
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    Wow, got a lot to take issue with here (sorry):

    1. Not sure signing Kiwanuka is "realistic". Assuming the guy's neck is okay, I would think that he would garner quite a bit of interest, especially considering how many teams out there HAVE to spend around $30 million just to get to the cap floor. On the other hand maybe there isn't much interest in Kiwanuka because of his neck injury. In that case the Pats would have to be satisfied that he is OK even though other teams believe he may not be. Either way I don't see it happening.

    2. Why re-sign Page AND McGowan? Seems kind of redundant. I don't see the argument for bringing back McGowan since he hasn't done much save for the first half of the '09 season. As for Matt Light--why would he come back at all, much less at a home town discount? The Pats already drafted his replacement. Light would be much smarter to go to a team like the Falcons where he could get a couple more years of good money before he's put out to pasture.

    3. James Jones? Dude has a SERIOUS case of the dropsies. The Pats need sure-handed receivers that excel at running routes. Jones fails on both fronts. Yes he's athletic and yes he will come up with some great catches, but he is maddeningly inconsistent.
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    Sanders is more valuable to us than anyone else. With the shortened off-season and status-quo teams having the best odds at starting hot, I think he stays.
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    Why don't we have a chance at Roth?
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    Light refused the contract because he was adamant about testing the free agency waters. Which is well within his right.

    I don't see the Pats signing a WR beyond UDFAs unless they trade Welker or Edelman. And, I just don't see that. But, why are you against James Jones, other than his hands?

    I think that Kiwanuka is a very good chance.

    I have to disagree with your assessment of Spears. I think that Spears would be as good as any RDE that the Pats have had since they traded Seymour. THough, Spears is coming off injury. He won't be Seymour, but he'd solidify the position and should come relatively inexpensive since he is coming back from injury.
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    I would add Roth. Think he would fit a need and would be worth the risk if its not for inflated early FA prices.

    Wouldn't be surprised for BB to take another flier on Derrick Mason. But he might also turn him down to stay for less money for the Ravens (because his wife told him to) again.
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    What worries me about the "right price" rhetoric, is that that number may become inflated due to teams having to spend 90% of their cap space.. so teams like Tampa Bay and Washington who have mucho to spend, may spend mucho on some of these guys we like...

    It seems to be more of a crap shoot than ever, Matt Light might find the numbers he is looking for on another team. Hometown discount sounds nice, but this is his last big payday.
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    Did a quick look at the Scouts table (thanks for link it was useful).


    I just filtered guys out based on age, and then downgraded based on size or if not a UFA and come up with a limited # of candidates (2 each) that would interest Pats for OLB or WR.


    wR: Houshmandzadeh or Braylon Edwards
    (with a subjective upgrade to Stallworth based on being ex-pat he could overcome his 6-0 height and be included).


    OLB: Roth or Leber.

    (Note Kiwanuka is considered a DE not a OLB and still could be considered for Pats purposes except he is also a RFA not a UFA. So he is off my quickee list.) [ Other DEs that could be considered based on FA status, age, size (unknown skill sets ) : Marcus Spears, Jason Babin, Raheem Brock, & Dave Ball ]


    So if between those 4 guys I guess I go Houshmandzadeh and Roth.
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    Rob - Stallworth's lack of familiarity with the playbook is one of the reasons that Jabar Gaffney took the #3 WR spot from him and basically relegated Stallworth to the bench for the last quarter of the season.

    You add that to the guy that Stallworth killed and he's anathema to the Patriots..
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    Kiwanuka is a UFA, not an RFA thanks to the new CBA. And though he's listed as a DE, he'd be a 3-4 OLB for the Pats.

    Leber is an ILB in s 3-4 system.
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