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    Re: Lito Shephard on the block.......would fill a big hole...

    Remember.....this is the corner who put a lock on Moss first last year....so if Moss goes for the money instead of Brady, then it would an extremely good look to have Lito Sheppard on our roster and he's still young....26 years old....I'd say a 2nd rounder


    P.S. - Ty Law is even on the verge of coming back to New England
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    Re: Lito Shephard on the block.......would fill a big hole...

    I'd easily give up a 2nd rounder for Sheppard. He's one of the game's best corners and immediately makes the departure of Samuel irrelevant.
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    Re: Lito Shephard on the block.......would fill a big hole...

    Sheppard is very cheap too :

    11/6/2004: Signed a five-year, $25 million contract extension through 2011. The deal included a $9 million signing bonus.

    2008: $2 million
    2009: $3 million
    2010: $3.7 million
    2011: $4.25 million
    2012: Free Agent. Cap charge: $3.45 million (2008).

    At that money I'd flip flop #1 for him for sure; #7 to #19 + a cheap Sheppard. Of course, Sheppard probably wants a new deal and that could change things but as things stand . . .
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    Re: Lito Shephard on the block.......would fill a big hole...

    The Patriots have need of a player who can't cover without holding? Are they below the team quota or something?
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    Re: Lito Shephard on the block.......would fill a big hole...

    hope to get him, would be huge
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    Re: Lito Shephard on the block.......would fill a big hole...

    Lito would be a great replacement for Samuel, but it all depends on how much $$$ he is seeking. I wouldn't mind seeing a secondary consisting of.....

    1. Law
    2. Sheppard
    3. Richardson (yes, I think he will be a starter)
    4. Hobbs
    5. Merriweather
    6. Harrison
    7. Gay
    8. Sanders
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    Re: Lito Shephard on the block.......would fill a big hole...

    How good is Hobbs vs. Sheppard? There's your break-even point, if he is in fact available at marked-down, not-so-young-anymore rates. (And could the iggles ask for some coin to apply against that dead money Lito costs as part of the deal?)

    By reputation at least, Sheppard seems like he'd be an upgrade over Hobbs (as might Gay.) And of course we have to replace Asante, if all our assumptions hold. We might end up with a downgrade in the secondary, but a downgrade to Sheppard/Gay or Sheppard/Hobbs might be preferable to a downgrade to Gay/Hobbs (just for example.)

    I have to say, I had the impression that Sheppard is a pretty serviceable D-back.

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    Re: Lito Shephard on the block.......would fill a big hole...

    He is more than serviceable. Some people would still be negative even if the Patriots had Deion Sanders, Dick Lane, and Darrell Green as our corners.
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    that link didnt work for me
    anyone have anything else on this?
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    I would love to have Lito Sheppard over Samuel. He is more physical and a little bit bigger. At first I didn't think much of Ty Law coming back, but if it's the difference between him starting or Ellis Hobbs, I'll take Law. Whether or not Samuel stays, the Pats need DB's.
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    A good pick up 2nd rounder??
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    I'm assuming we get the 2 by trading down from rd. 1 #7, right? Our 2 is gone.
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    This would be great.
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    Re: Lito Shephard on the block.......would fill a big hole...

    I'm all for bringing in a cornerback. Sheppard is just not the one. I don't know if I'd rate him above Gay (Gay didn't really get a great shot at starting last season), but I wouldn't rate him above Hobbs. Then again, I seem to rate Hobbs more highly than most people here do. I looked at his numbers this season, for example, and felt he was the team's best cornerback.
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    Talk about a dream come true. I would swap firsts and throw in another lower round pick in a heartbeat. 5 years 25 mill for his abilities is a bargain at what will be a position of need once samuel hits FA.

    Adding Shephard, resigning Moss, and getting Thomas for LB depth could arguably make our 2008 team stronger than this year's. Plus we will be getting Rosey and Morris back, another juggernaut for sure.
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    Re: Lito Shephard on the block.......would fill a big hole...

    Why so much love for Gay? He was clearly targeted by almost every offense down the stretch. Did he make a single play last year?

    Also whoever put Richardson and Ty Law above Ellis Hobbs, two words, lay off the LDS. Is this the same Richardson who has never played an NFL game? and had a pedestrian college career on one of the worst pass defenses in the NCAA? I most not have been watching when he 'almost' made plays against other teams scrubs.

    I would take Shephard in a second for our #2 pick and would even consider trade for our #7 for the Eagles #19. I don't know if he is a probowl player but he is an adequate or above average starter.

    If our 2008 Secondary looks like this it will be a lot better than I thought it would be. There is still a chance that a bum veteran or rookie ends up as a starter.
    Hobbs
    Sheppard
    2nd round draft pick
    Richardson\Spann\Williams
    Harrison
    Sanders
    Merriweather
    Willie 'I needs my pot' Andrews
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    shepard is a damn good cornerback. is this just a possible scenario or is he actually on the block?
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    dont forget he's gaffney's cousin....
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    Re: Lito Shephard on the block.......would fill a big hole...


    thats why he wants to be traded.
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    Re: Lito Shephard on the block.......would fill a big hole...

    I really didn't give Gay any love. I said that he didn't get enough of a chance as a starter to make a fair comparison.

    But there is no way you move that #7 pick in any way just to get Lito Sheppard.
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    Sheppard's injury history is a concern. He annually misses a handful of games.
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    Re: Lito Shephard on the block.......would fill a big hole...

    I can't see how anyone would still believe Randall Gay is better than Hobbs. Especially since he actually looked worse with more playing time. If anything all those injuries helped build his status among some fans (sounds strange), because we didn't get to see his weaknesses exposed on a weekly basis. During the 2007 season I noticed him give up a number of receptions and TD's he absolutely shouldn't have. If anyone wants to talk about a NE CB who got burned in 2007 it was Randall Gay, not Hobbs. Don't get me wrong, I still like the guy, and hope he's a member of the 2008 NE Patriots. But, with his 2007 performance and injury history I wouldn't at all want to count on him as a full time starter.
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    yeah, Seb...I agree...I thought he played soft and was out of position a lot of the time and seemed to get worse with more playing time
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    Sorry, Ellis Hobbs is a good second CB. Also, if (we don't know) NE's going to bring in CB's who are more physical in coverage and switch over to a more physical brand of coverage, then I'd actually like Hobbs even more. See, NE's soft zone coverage suited Asante Samuel, not Hobbs. Asante doesn't like to jam at the line, and he's more of a finesse coverage man. Yes, Asante can put some decent hits on people, but I'm talking about his coverage ability/style, not his hitting/tackling. Ellis might be short but he's got a lot of fire, attitude, actually likes being physical, and playing at the LOS. He also sports a 42 in vert which makes up for the lack of height.

    If NE had Lito, Hobbs, and Law at CB with Meriweather, Harrison, and Sanders as their Safety rotation it would be a very good secondary, and an upgrade over their main group in 2007, especially if a first day draft pick is added. I also think Richardson could develop into a decent slot CB, and Randall Gay could return.
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    Since when? I'm pretty sure NE still has their own second round pick.
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    Getting Lito AND Law might be asking a little too much:p
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    Hobbs may have a good vertical, but being undersized often times doesn't allow for him to utilize that much. If he's in tight he's not going to get up much, like on the Plaxico reception in week 17.
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    lito shephard is not as good as samuel he is not even as good as hobbs rember hobbs coverd the outher teams best WR most of the time not samuel that being said i think hobbs did pretty good the only reason shephard is that good is the eageles blitz about 90% of the time so the QB dose not have time to throw ill take ty law over him
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    Would be a great move to pick up this young vet and from a monetary standpoint a lot less expensive then keeping Asante. If we can get away with only giving up a 2nd or 3rd it would be a tremendous move and allow us to be more physical in coverage, which was a prob this past year.

    Sheppard is only 26 yrs old. He has ok size but plays a lot more physical than 5-10 and 194. He has very quick feet and is also tough on run support. He is not that solid in zone D and he doesn't jump routes that well, especially not as well as Asante. He makes up for that with solid route recognition and with his #1 strength, press coverage. He competes for the ball and does that well against tall WRs as well (nice job on Moss this year as we all know). He has had some injury issues in the past but he reminds me a lot of Otis Smith, one of my personal favorite all-time Patriots, in how he baits QBs into bad ints (see 100 yd pick six vs Beldoes/Dallas a few yrs ago). He obviously is a lot more talented than O T I S was.
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