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  1. JR4

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    I will be first to admit I was wrong about Bob Kraft's intentions with the
    CAP space. I will accept him at his word and his word is


    “It’s not a conscious intention to be under the cap,” Kraft said. “First of all, the season is not over. Clearly, monies were being held for [Deion Branch’s situation]. It’s publicly known we were looking at the Ty Law situation at the time. Those two situations would have taken up a fair amount of the money. And there are some other things we’ll be able to do potentially between now and the end of the year.”


    http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/reiss_pieces/

    He said it was not a conscious intention ... I take him at his word.

    So they still have some things they can do between now and end of the
    year. I hope extending contracts like Graham and Samuel is what he
    meant.
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  2. Chris

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    the patriots actually commenting publicly on lookin at a player lol.. never thought id see the day

    as its been said in other threads.. tehre are about 10 teams i think that have at least 10 mil in space
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    Why should anyone EVER have thought that it was their intent not to spend to the cap? They've always spent to the cap before. I just don't get all this Pats FO bashing.
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    jonathan kraft was on felger's show and answered a similar question about spending to limit by saying something like "if you have 5 mill dollars ,sure you can buy a ferrari for 1 mill.but how useful is it if you have drive your car in say streets of downtown boston with difficult routes and roads" something of that sort implying there needs to be value in the money spent
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    We're in the longest superbowl drought since 2002. Heads must roll, baby, and roll they will
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    I assume you're being facetious.
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    Absolute worst case, they can give Brady a $6M check from this year's cap and reduce his yearly salary by $1M each of his remaining years. There's a million and one ways to use it and/or roll it over to the future.
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    It doesn't make sense to not invest that money into the product on the field when you are sitting on one of the most valuable sports franchises out there. They can use it to pay a player that they obtain, although that is less likely than attempting to sign a potential free agent or pay a large chunk of a bonus to Seymour or other key player that will take a cap hit this year and lighten the cap hit in later years on those players. The Patriots will spend to the cap; I've never doubted that.
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    At the very least they could do this with a handful of players, or they could take care of an upcoming FA. But, if they did that right now, everyone then would say they signed so and so instead of giving Branch $XXX.OO
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    Sarcasm turned on.

    I thought that this board had determined that the Patriots would never deal with the Postons.

    Sarcasm turned off

    --
    Miguel (more than anything, the NFL is a business)
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    This was taken from Felger's show. Reiss just took what he said and put it on his blog so you can all give him credit for doing nothing and being the hardest working journalist in Boston.
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    Are you kidding me??? Sounds like you really are Wrong Borges and you truly are jealous of Mike Reiss - see, he has the respect of Patriot football fans and you do not. All Reiss does is work very hard at bringing us non biased and very hard to find, true information without his opinion or spin. He has no agenda but to inform. He was nice enough and smart enough to tell us all what was said on Felgers show. He gave the show the proper credit- what is wrong with informing those not in a position to hear the show what went on?
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    Why would anyone joke about that?
    Isn't that the soothing whik whik sound of
    a guillotine being sharpened
    that i hear?
    :)
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    Jonathan has been saying this for several weeks now on every show where he's asked about the :eek: EXCESS CAP :eek:. And I have tried valiently to repeat and reiterate what he's been saying all along to no avail.

    I'm glad at least now JR4 is satisfied with the explanation, the simple logic of which was apparent to most of us all along...:rolleyes:
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    God, I thank Bob Kraft for clearing this all up.

    Maybe now there will not be another cap thread posted for a week. :eat2:
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    Miguel, it it true you have a man-crush on the poston Bro?

    Inquiring idiotic minds want to know.
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    Dammit JR, why are you talking about "Bob" Kraft when Jonathan is being quoted, accuracy my man or you'll be assigned a thread with It's Ron Borges as your thread mate.
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    No kidding. I can't believe that after the Pats history of spending to the cap that this was even an issue. What did everyone think they were going to do with the extra money? Spend it all stupidly "just because"? Jeez.
  19. Box_O_Rocks

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    But Bella, haven't the Krafts begun using plasticware in place of silverware in the cafeteria? Surely the end is at hand! :rolleyes:
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    LOL, and here I thought they must be making the players eat with their hands.
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    Opps ... not Bob :eek: .... I'm back where I started :bricks:

    To those who can't understand why anyone would think it possible that
    the PATs would not spend to the CAP
    ......I assure you I will somehow look for a way to scrap the logic
    that just because someone has always done thing
    doesn't means they will do it again. :confused:

    I mean I want to have the self promoting intelligence so boastfully
    exhibited in words and scarcasm by many in this thread. :rolleyes:
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    That was the issue that Deion was referring to when he said "It's not about the money."
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    It appears from the outside that the FO may have anticipated a $90M cap, before the new CBA was negotiated. So right off the bat, they're $15M in the black. Had their pursuit of Ty Law bore fruit, a decent % of the surplus would have been used. Additionally, had The Holdout honored his contract and received an extension, a similar % of the surplus would again have been used. There also has been $$ put aside for other extensions.
    So in the end, if things had gone/will go according to plan, the pats would be at approx. $100M, or $5M below the cap. That's the price of one top-end FA. Unfortunately, there are no longer any top-end FAs available. For that the FO should take some heat. But for that one only.
    So now, instead of spending unwisely, the FO is probably looking at payouts for Brady and Seymour, in order to reduce future burdens. This, in turn, should hold the club in good stead when it comes to both signing top-end FAs, and re-signing their own ones, this offseason. Add to them at least 10 draft picks next April, and the NEP will be SB-level, as long as BB is the HC and TB is the QB. M'kay?
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    nope

    Jonathan Sullivan does that by choice
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    More to the point,
    the Minutes will indicate
    that this board has
    forbidden
    the Patriots to deal with the Postons!
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    Note that if the Patriots are now $10mm under the cap, not $15mm, they probably paid Seymour the roster bonus, changing his future cap commitment.

    Miguel, does that make sense?
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    Dammit Box, the name is "I'm Ron Borges" not "It's Ron Borges". Accuracy, my man, or you'll be assigned to a a thread with flutie2phelan, who will change his text color to white and invisibly libel Dan Graham and Pierre Woods, with an occasional off-color reference to Monte Beisel.
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    Accuracy in this case does not refer to the user name. :p
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    And here I am all set to watch you shadow-boxing, in your artfully informed prose, with an invisible assailant. Ahh well. :cool:

    BTW, I'm probably one of your most diligent readers of the ongoing breakdowns. Love that stuff. I feel guilty not helping out, but I have years yet before retirement. I'll have to wait to join in when Cassel takes the reins.
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    Stay on your toes, f2p prints in white all the time so you have to keep an eye on him. No worries about your helping out, you got us off to a fast start last year, we'll just consider this your IR period.

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