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    Almost time for the draft.

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    (ESPN Mock draft) The Patriots just traded out of #29:

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    I don't think the numbers work out on that, but I would take that in a heart beat.
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    Reiss was the NE GM. He had J-ville and Minny fighting for the spot, because Bridgewater had fallen. It's similar to my hopeful scenario, though I'd rather the Patriots only have to drop down to 35 (Cle).
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    And "Loose" 30 points by the trade value chart - Not even close - 5 year option is MUCH better then this offer. Another thing, if no better offer arrived, Mike should have pick Teddy just to show Patriots could target QB in round 1.
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    Your call, trade up or down?
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    You'd rather take a player who is likely to never play a meaningful snap for the team in the first round over 4 picks for the sake of 30 imaginary points?

    #39, #105, #114 in return for #29 would be more realistic though, it leaves Jacksonville paying a small premium to jump back into the 1st round to select a QB.
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    I say trade up and get Calvin Pryor
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    No i would send a signal that they pay or Loose the player
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    Pryor is my binky so, needless to say, I would love that. But this isn't really the draft to "trade up" in unless it's a couple of spots. For Pryor, you may have to jump past either the Cowboys or the Bears, depending on Donald's availability. But if he fell to, say, 22-28, I would welcome a trade up even using next year's first as a part of the trade.
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    Sorry, but I have to... lose is to not win, loose is not tight. It's like nails on a blackboard when I see this misused so frequently.
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    Can we stop pretending trade value charts are even remotely useful? Assigning an arbitrary price to a given pick does not in any way reflect the actual market for the pick in a trade, which is based on about a hundred different factors that are determined on the fly as the draft unfolds in negotiations rather than on a premade chart.

    For example, the #29 pick is going to be worth a lot more "points" if Teddy Bridgewater is still available than it would be otherwise, and it would be worth a lot more "points" if there are 15 players available with roughly equivalent grades in the Patriots' eyes and you will move down by 15 spots at most, ensuring you'll be able to pick at least one of them.

    The draft chart is entirely manufactured by ESPN narrative. It's not a reflection of how prices work in the draft marketplace.
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    No, the draft value charts were developed by NFL teams who needed a guide for trades. Jimmy Johnson was the standard, but various teams, like the 49ers, have developed their own, as have statisticians.

    They are only a guide, but to think teams go into the draft and swing numerous trades "on the fly" with no value guide is ludicrous.

    Worth the price? Tony Villioti proposes a new trade value chart | National Football Post
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    Of course teams have some idea of how they value any given pick (this is how they determine a price, after all), but it changes from draft to draft and from spot to spot. That value guide is substantially better than the Jimmy Johnson one, which supposes that the 15th pick in one draft is worth the same as the 15th pick in any other draft, which is absurd.

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