- Joined
- Sep 22, 2008
- Messages
- 4,329
- Reaction score
- 2,486
Registered Members experience this forum ad and noise-free.
CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Oh really? Care to explain the New England Patriots drafting center Damien Woody in the first round of the 1999 NFL Draft or left guard Logan Mankins in the first round of the 2005 NFL Draft?LOTs are drafted high but interior OLs are drafted from 4th to UDFA.
Joe Andruzzi was in his fourth season, as well as second NFL team, during the 2001 NFL Season. Mike Compton was a 3rd round selection in the 1993 NFL Draft. Russ Hochstein was a 5th round selection in the 2001 NFL Draft.The Pats won Superbowls or went to them with UDFA starters, like Andruzzi, Robinson-Randle Boldin, Neal, Hochstein et cetera.
As for Dennard, it seems we're always waiting for him to get healthy.
For every Andruzzi, Neal, Ashworth there was a Mruczkowski, Tucker, Yates. There are no guarantees with Devey and based on his play this season, Devey belongs on the bench.So? The UDFAs being auditioned, have all had a year on the Pats PS, and other tryouts before elsewhere. Devey for example is 26, was with the Ravens, before the joining the Pats. He is hardly just a few months out of college and similar experience to the guys on your post.
For every Dan Koppen, there is was a Rich Orhnberger.I didn't say ALL non LOTs are drafted in the 4th or later, as you seem to impute. There are always exceptions.
Oh really? Who played left tackle for the New England Patriots during the 2005 NFL Season after Matt Light broke his leg? Matt Light was drafted in the second round of the 2001 NFL Draft while Logan Mankins was drafted in the first round of the 2005 NFL Draft. So much for the year earlier bull crap.Mankins would probably have played LOT for the Pats, if they hadn't found Light in the Second Round a year earlier. So they converted a Tackle to a superb LG. Something you seem to think is unheard of doing.
Damien Woody was named to the Pro Bowl in 2002.Woody was over-drafted and never lived up to his First Round draft. He has had along career as an above average player. He had problems with long snapping, and was moved from Center to Guard, another conversion.
You are the poster with all the DEFINITIVE STATEMENTS.Why are you so damn argumentative?
For every Andruzzi, Neal, Ashworth there was a Mruczkowski, Tucker, Yates. There are no guarantees with Devey and based on his play this season, Devey belongs on the bench.
When did I say he didn't belong on the bench? I said he earned a shot, got it, and failed.
For every Dan Koppen, there is was a Rich Orhnberger.
You implied you can't possibly start rookie 4th round Centers. I gave you a counter example. Orhnberger is still in the league with the Chargers, BTW. Halapio didn't cut it either, he didn't make the roster. But Stark and Fleming both made the 53, and have already played some. As did Devey, who will end up on the PS is my guess.
Oh really? Who played left tackle for the New England Patriots during the 2005 NFL Season after Matt Light broke his leg? Matt Light was drafted in the second round of the 2001 NFL Draft while Logan Mankins was drafted in the first round of the 2005 NFL Draft. So much for the year earlier bull crap.
You are correct. I stand corrected. I was confusing him with the Canadian pick Adrian Klemm who was always injured and drafted in the second round the year before Light.
Damien Woody was named to the Pro Bowl in 2002.
I said he had an Above Average career. That doesn't mean he was a bum, nor a repetitive ProBowler Wasn't that appearance as an alternate?
You are the poster with all the DEFINITIVE STATEMENTS
I don't want to trade personal insults with you. .
Oh really? Care to explain the New England Patriots drafting center Damien Woody in the first round of the 1999 NFL Draft or left guard Logan Mankins in the first round of the 2005 NFL Draft?
Joe Andruzzi was in his fourth season, as well as second NFL team, during the 2001 NFL Season. Mike Compton was a 3rd round selection in the 1993 NFL Draft. Russ Hochstein was a 5th round selection in the 2001 NFL Draft.
Stephen Neal did not become a full time starter for the New England Patriots until his fourth season in the NFL.
Ryan Wendell spent two seasons on the New England Patriots practice squad and two years as a backup offensive lineman before starting 16 regular season games as the starting center for the New England Patriots.
Dan Connolly spent two seasons on the New England Patriots practice squad and did not start his first game for the New England Patriots until four years after he signed as an undrafted free agent by the Jaguars in 2005.
A bad one, for sure, but I'd have to go with drafting AH.Belichick's worst mistake? Adalius Thomas and it's not close ... unless you count trusting Mangini.
-
I don't understand. What 's the matter? Your posts are usually thoughtful, and spot on. All you have contributed to the Offensive line discussions in *****ing, nullities, and non sequitors.
The interior O line got old in 2013. The sacks soared from the 20s to an enormous 40. The weakest and oldest players needed to be replaced. The Pats are doing so, and unfortunately it will take time to do so,but it is a long season. There is time to do it, even if it takes half a season.
I get it. Devey is not the next coming of Ogden Pace, and you don't like him. He earned a shot in practice, got it, and failed. Your advice to cut him improves things, exactly how? Now I think he is now a blooded reserve who can play both tackle and guard as a substitute
Brady was rushed to throw, and got sacked 40 times in 2013. Your stats confirm the problem. Many, but not me, blamed the rookie receivers. He didn't have as much time then to throw, than he has had this season, as surprising as it appears to be to many. Equal 7 sacks in 2013 and 2014 over 3 games, but slightly more hits in 2013 than this year.
Solder's problems are independent of the interior changes. His talent and history indicates he will return to his high level of play, eventually.
History also indicates a Tackle can adapt and play G. Many Gs simply don't possess the physical talent to play Tackle though. Cannon will adapt. He has great size, has proven to be a tough run blocker, and has some short area mobility, and proven pass blocking ability too.
A bad one, for sure, but I'd have to go with drafting AH.
He could have got out in front of it and not had to make an either or decision, you act as if Belichick had just 2 options, he did not. Last season I bet you were suggesting Brady’s pains with the WRs were short term like a surgery as well, to this day, the problems still exist with the WRs, so guess he is on the long-term recovery program for that surgery, huh. We nickel and dime players like Mankins so we can blow money on players like Amendola, Arrington, and Wilson, etc.He could have said the old vets, they won for me, I'll stick with them. That would have ensured Brady was continually beat up the entire 2014 season without recourse. Now he planned a surgery to fix it and drafted the pieces to do so.
I think his biggest mistake was sticking with his old SB vets a year too long. back in '08 and '09.
Brady's pain now, is the pain a surgery patient undergoes to get cured.
A bad one, for sure, but I'd have to go with drafting AH.
Of course the dead cap hit was significant if I remember correctly.
A long term solution was not addressed at the interior offensive line positions in the 2011 NFL Draft. Stephen Neal retired in March 2011 and Dan Koppen was already 31 years old (DOB Sept 12, 1979) at time of the 2011 NFL Draft. In the 2010 AFC Divisional Playoff Game against the NY Jets, Dan Connolly was abused by old man Shaun Ellis. Ras-I Dowling (2011 NFL Draft, #33 overall) was one of the worst draft selections (a complete WTF pick) in the Belichick era and did not address the interior of the offensive line. Meanwhile, Stefen Wisniewski, OC/OG from Penn State, was still on the board with the #33 overall selection in the 2011 NFL Draft.He could have got out in front of it and not had to make an either or decision, you act as if Belichick had just 2 options, he did not. Last season I bet you were suggesting Brady’s pains with the WRs were short term like a surgery as well, to this day, the problems still exist with the WRs, so guess he is on the long-term recovery program for that surgery, huh. We nickel and dime players like Mankins so we can blow money on players like Amendola, Arrington, and Wilson, etc.
A long term solution was not addressed at the interior offensive line positions in the 2011 NFL Draft. Stephen Neal retired in March 2011 and Dan Koppen was already 31 years old. In the 2010 AFC Divisional Playoff Game against the NY Jets, Dan Connolly was abused by old man Shaun Ellis. Ras-I Dowling (2011 NFL Draft, #33 overall) was one of the worst draft selections (a complete WTF pick) in the Belichick era and did not address the interior of the offensive line. Meanwhile, Stefen Wisniewski, OC/OG from Penn State, was still on the board with the #33 overall selection in the 2011 NFL Draft.
As for surgery, if Jon Halapio was suppose to replace Dan Connolly at the right offensive guard position this season, patient is on life support with the pastor administering last rites.
He could have got out in front of it and not had to make an either or decision, you act as if Belichick had just 2 options, he did not. Last season I bet you were suggesting Brady’s pains with the WRs were short term like a surgery as well, to this day, the problems still exist with the WRs, so guess he is on the long-term recovery program for that surgery, huh. We nickel and dime players like Mankins so we can blow money on players like Amendola, Arrington, and Wilson, etc.
I don't think Mankins being here for 2014 would have prevented that. Jones and Hightower are signed through 2016.You want to keep Mankins and not sign some of Revis, Chandler Jones, Solder, Hightower, etc.?
At the level Solder is playing this year, the New England Patriots may be looking to draft an offensive tackle in the first round of the 2015 NFL Draft.You want to keep Mankins and not sign some of Revis, Chandler Jones, Solder, Hightower, etc.?