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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Thanks bud.p8ryts said:Troy Brown did get offered more money by the Saints but he decided to sign with the Pats and it looks like he made the right decision.
I agree with Crazy Dave (that just doesn't sound right).
YEAH!! Now we're talking!Jacky Roberts said:I hope they issue Doug Gabriel # 83. FU Deion
Miguel said:It is a 3 year, 18 million deal averaging out to 6 million only if one ignores the fact that $4 million of the $18 million is being paid in 2006.
Crazy, easy dude, just because someone allegedly close to Grahambo is being quoted in Borges' daily dump, doesn't mean it was anything negative. So assume Graham did say it, and it is somewhat close to context, all he saying is he expects a competative bid for his services, if it isn't in the ballpark, he just won't get into a big counteroffer exchange and will let Free Agency decide his worth. Nothing you or I wouldn't be doing or saying. Because crap for brains wrote the piece, it automatically starts with a major negative spin. Let's not dump on Graham before he dumps on us, the poor guy has already had to deal with the bogus rumors of his trade to Denver, be sensitive bro, and go beat up an obnoxious, drunken news slug to ease your anxiety. Peace.CrazyDave said:Thanks bud.
And seeing as Graham is making "emotional statements", I'll make one too.
If Graham has issues with how things are run around here, he can hit the road too. If he thinks he's such a hot s#%t, than maybe we should start shopping his ***** around as well.
Don't get me started.
shmessy said:They got a one year younger guy yesterday who had half of last year's Branch production (Deion's best ever, btw) cathching errant missiles thrown by Kerry Collins, for godssake......in a weak RB offense where opposing D's played Nickel 80% of the time. What can he do in ours???????
That's 50% of Branch for 10% of the money. And if they lose Branch they'll get AT LEAST a 2nd rounder for him.
That's freakin SYMPHONIC.
CrazyDave said:Thanks bud.
If Graham has issues with how things are run around here, he can hit the road too.
You're probably right. I had a bad hangover this morning.Box_O_Rocks said:Crazy, easy dude, just because someone allegedly close to Grahambo is being quoted in Borges' daily dump, doesn't mean it was anything negative. So assume Graham did say it, and it is somewhat close to context, all he saying is he expects a competative bid for his services, if it isn't in the ballpark, he just won't get into a big counteroffer exchange and will let Free Agency decide his worth. Nothing you or I wouldn't be doing or saying. Because crap for brains wrote the piece, it automatically starts with a major negative spin. Let's not dump on Graham before he dumps on us, the poor guy has already had to deal with the bogus rumors of his trade to Denver, be sensitive bro, and go beat up an obnoxious, drunken news slug to ease your anxiety. Peace.
hwc said:For example, suppose that the arbiter ruled that the Jets have to give the Pats two 1st round draft choices. Do you think they would continue to offer Branch 6 year/$36 million?
Probably.Or, would the cost of buying out his final year reduce the money they would pay Branch?
I am not arguing that the final year is real and cannot be ignored. I have been arguing the opposite - that the all of the cash made in the final year of the rookie contract should be included when determining the APY.The value of that final year is real and cannot be ignored. The value is real to the Patriots. It is real to any team seeking to trade for Branch.
We could just as easily write the Pats extension offer to Branch as:
$6 mil (1st year)
$6 mil (2nd year)
$6 mil (3rd year)
$6 mil (4th year)
-$5 mil (credit for value of final year of rookie contract
Total: $19 million
It's all semantics. Call it three years. Call it four years. It is what it is.
mikey said:What would I do?
Pay him whatever the Jets are going to pay him.
There is not much of a difference anyway.
Really ... it is that simple.
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Miguel said:Where in the CBA does a team get credit for final year of rookie contract when amortizing a signing bonus??
I was.hwc said:I'm not talking about amortizing signing bonus money.
Ok, then.That's a separate issue.
hwc said:The answer is some approximation of market value over the additional three years and some approximation of the current contract for the 1st year. That is the only "win-win" answer that recognizes both the player's market value AND the value the team currently holds in having the player under contract for 2006.
The "offers" made by the Jets and Seattle are not real offers at this point, because they do not adequately reimburse the Pats for the value they hold in Branch's 2006 contract year. For either team to adequately reimburse the Pats, they would likely reduce the dollars going to Branch and redirect that money (or draft pick equivalent) to the Pats.
Would the Jets offer be real and would Branch make more money if he were an unrestricted free agent? Sure. But, he is NOT an unrestricted free agent.
Would he have been a free agent if he had not signed a 5 year rookie contract? Sure. But, he did sign a 5 year rookie contract. He could have just signed a one year tender like Guss Scott did.
Miguel said:Do not know why you would think that anyone reading this board did not know that Branch is under contract.
mikey said:They pulled the same stunt on TROY BROWN.
They also told TROY BROWN to shop around.
When all Troy got was a crappy offer from New Orleans, the ploy worked.
But they GROSSLY underestimated the WORTH of Deion in the free market.
Now they are faced with the CONUNDRUM.
Losing Deion will undermine our BEST opportunity of winning our 4th Lombadi this year.
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Because it talks about NEW money only. You are acting like Chayut in thinking that you should count in the current contract money with everything else. That's not how it works. Not in ANY negotiation.Miguel said:Why???
Miguel said:Why not???
Deion would get a $4 million million signing bonus in 2006.
The Patriots would be able to use the 2006 year in its amortization of the $4 million signing bonus.
Miguel said:From what I can tell from the CBA, Branch would have been signing a contract that says that it covers 4 seasons. Is my assessment of the CBA incorrect???
Miguel said:Sorry to disappoint you. For the record, I did not teach you to call an differing opinion BS thinking. That is on you.
Miguel said:I'm willing to bet that you are wrong and it is not besides the point. It is precisely the point.
It is a 3 year, 18 million deal averaging out to 6 million only if one ignores the fact that $4 million of the $18 million is being paid in 2006. Why isn't it then a 3 year, 14 million deal???