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  1. Triumph

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    Samuel called out

    While Pats fans continue to rue the loss of Asante Samuel [stats], there are people in Philadelphia who aren't completely enamored with the Pro Bowl cornerback.

    Apparently, following the playoff loss to the Cowboys, first-year defensive coordinator Sean McDermott expressed exasperation over Samuel's refusal to play press coverage, along with his unwillingness to tackle.

    Under smoke screen, Patriots eye USC players - BostonHerald.com


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    Whatever, he's still one of the top corners in the league and I still wish he was in a Patriots uniform.
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    Yeah, he was a good player and we could benifit with him on this team.
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    So Samuel being a ballhawk who doesn't like press coverage is news to Patriots fans, and the Eagles finding out that a Pro Bowl corner isn't big on contact is cause for joy?

    If the Patriots traded for Samuel today, he'd step into the lineup as the team's undisputed CB1, so I'm not sure why the article is supposed to be a funny one. :confused2:
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    Liked Samuel as a player, but thought from the onset that they overpaid for him.. he started his last season with us as a nickel back, and went to the top of the class too fast.
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    Typical homers taking a shot at a guy who was a major contributor to some Super Bowl teams. Who needs Asante, we've got Whilhite.
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    Whilhite is a Jet?

    But did you read the article? It was Philly folks taking issue with Asante.

    He was good. He wasn't worth what Philly paid. I don't see why that is so hard to understand.
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    Tannenbaum knows what he's doing in the draft room, Whillhite was probably a FA on their draft board.
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    I'll take a physical corner who excels in both man and zone coverage any day over a guy who's good at making INTs but whiffs when it counts the most and disappears in the running game.
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    I'll take any physical defensive player who excels at tackling over a 'ballhawk'.


    Darren Sharper is a prime case, people love him for his ints. But he frequently blows coverage and shys from tackles. I would be livid if we tried to sign him.
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    So you would want James Sanders over Darren Sharper? That is essentially what you are saying.
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    Good point.
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    Sharper is extremely aggressive and physical. He doesn't shy away from tackles at all. He does miss some tackles, but it isn't really a weakness. His problem is the angles he takes in support. He is also selfish when the ball is in the air. I remember Griffin would have had an INT one time but Sharper leveled him well going for the ball. Favres pass bounced into the air and into the hands of Greg Jennings for a TD.
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    I agree with you.. And to say Sharper blew a lot of plays.. Remember they were brining in a new mix of players.. And help really help stablize their back 4...
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    I would love to have Samuel back. He, Bodden, and Butler would make for a ridiculous defensive backfield.
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    Why should this make me happy? What, exactly, has "first year Defensive Coordinator Sean McDermott" ever won in the NFL? He's a local Philly Boy who has done well in Reid's system and who has now succeeded a legend as DC.

    Asante would still be our number one Corner if he were playing for the Pats, and losing him was still very unfortunate. Basically, the quote says that Asante is who he was; I'd take him back in a flash, even with those issues.
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    Lol, I realize the implausibility in the first part of cherry picking the ultimate player.

    Regarding my sharper comment though;

    Yes I would take Sanders, Sharper makes some big plays but doesn't change the fact that Sharper is known for blowing coverage in pretty big moments, just watch some of his tape from this last season lol.

    Historically 4th and 26 comes to mind.
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    It's not news to Patriots fans who said all along that while ballhawks have their moments they aren't worth $9.5M per year and the Eagles would come to that realization eventually...

    And while he might still be the #1 CB on this roster if we traded for him today, he'd have to restructure his contract down to the $5.5-6M per range...if Kraft was even willing to pay him that seeing as he backhanded called him out recently for not JUST picking a damn ball and taking a knee with it thereby securing a 4th championship...(which was just one of his three misplays/ambles that didn't work out in that particular game).

    You can develop your game to some extent. Asante came here a ballhawk with hands of stone determined to prove something. For four years he worked on those hands and made himself $56M. He's not a shutdown cover corner with the physicality to play press and the speed to recover and stick with the best WR's on the field. He's a zone ballhawk you will sink or swim with, and he requires one heck of a disciplined not to mention reasonable talented supporting cast surrounging him or you'll find yourself experiencing that sinking feeling more than you'd hoped. If guys didn't all have to be paid to he'd be a no brainer. Sadly, everyone wants to get paid.
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    We would have won the 2007 superbowl if Asante hadn't choked and let the ball go right through his hands on the last drive.
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    This will always be how I remember Asante, blowing a play that a top level corner should make every time on a stage where playmakers get paid the big bucks to make game changing plays.
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    Samuel isn't a versatile CB- we all know that, and we knew that from day one. He doesn't do everything well, but the things that he does well, he does them well enough that he's still significantly better than any of the CBs on our roster.

    I still agree with letting him walk, since he wanted too much money, but nothing in this article changes the fact that he's a real talent.
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    Do you hold Rodney Harrison to the same standard? If he hadn't 'choked' and had pried the ball off of Tyree's helmet like he was supposed to, we win the SB.

    If you're going to define players' Patriot careers with dumb, knee-jerk reactions, at least be consistent with it.
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    Not at all. It's been discussed numerous times that Harrison had to bail asante's ***** out. They were lucky he wasn't wide open on that play.

    Samuel was a strange player. The coverage skills of Ellis Hobbs and the playmaking ability of Polamalu.
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    He was in a position to make what should have been a makeable play on the ball, and he blew it. Just like Asante. It's one play that he missed, so rational people everywhere can at least shrug their shoulders and say "it sucks, but it happens to even the best players". That same standard applies to Asante too, though. You can't have it both ways, and discredit the entire career of guys like Asante and Woods for one play, while guys like Harrison, Brady, and Mankins all get the free pass. They all deserve the free pass.
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