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Could the Pats re-sign Warren a year early?

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  1. gomezcat

    gomezcat It's SIR Moderator to you Staff Member PatsFans.com Supporter

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    We apparently have $30 million in cap space and Ty is due to be a UFA the season after next. He has shown that he is a great lineman. Given that the FA pool is quite thin this year, could some of that money be used to re-sign him?
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    are you talking redoing his final year or an extension? if you are talking redoing his final year...isn't that was deion wanted and wouldn't it set a bad precident for future years? doing an extension....i'm all for that.
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    Sorry, I meant extension.
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    resign him before he hits the open market and gets huge dollars
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    Warren is one of our top five players and worthy of exceptions. Branch was not.
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    so you'd rip up his final year of his contract and give him more money?
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    I would allow him to finish out this final year,I am pretty sure that the FO will cough up the cash to resign him after this year.So I am really not all that worried about it.
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    Its going to more of the same.They will make an effort as with dan koppen by the mid part of the season and sign him.If we have unused cap going into the year they might do the contracts with incentives which will never be met hence moving the cap to next year[dan koppen contract moves around 2 million to 08].
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    ditto

    Wilfork's another. I'd put Wilfork above Warren in fact. I think we have Wilfork through '09 though.
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    Question: might the definition of "exception" be stretched, given the impact of a one-time inflationary "bump" in 2006, and now 8M/year inflation for the next several (projected)?

    I'm fascinated by the change the acceleration will or will not make in the Pats' philosophy.

    Samuel will be a bellweather for their attitude toward cap acceleration. The franchise/transition tags should be more attractive this year, everything else being equal. Now, it may just be plain unappealing to use it, for other reasons... but this would be the year that it's a bargain, maybe a little less so next year, etc., as the deals comprising the top 5 or the top 10 of a position, begin to be the deals cut in the 2006 offseason (right now the tag numbers reflect deals cut prior to the big windfall between the 05 and 06 NFL seasons, caused by the current CBA extension. Until post-2005 deals make up most of those "top 5" and "top 10" numbers, they're like archaeological remnants of Jurassic Cap.)

    So anyhoo, we have the possibility of a change in management philosophy, which militates for spending now, rather than finding ways to push money forward. I am not sure how that will interact with the Pats' Value Approach, which has been able to chug along with the assumption of a constant rate of inflation.

    While our coming inflation rate is a little higher than, for instance, the 04-05 change, it will be a steady rate nonetheless, even if it is one that (once again) militates against pushing money forward.

    Our $109M cap in 2007 is projected to grow to 148M by 2012... so lets say through consecutive slick moves, you push $1M forward from now until then. Its purchasing power would end up being about 2/3 of its current purchasing power. You will have only pushed forward $700K or so in 2007 cap dollars... and the rest? It gets eaten up like a senior citizen's savings during the Carter years. And that is assuming that we've seen the impact of the 2006 bump, which I do not believe, since most of any team's cap space was used prior to the extension. More likely, the inflation measured from the 2012 vantage point, will be greater than the push $1M forward to have $700k scenario. We might really be talking about a $1M to have $500K.

    I don't know if I am overstating this effect, or whether the savants of Foxboro are factoring it in. Something tells me they are, and not in as clumsy, broad-brush strokes as I am.

    And if so, a lot of aggressive "future is now" type moves might start raising our eyebrows around here... and one of those might be a rash of "exceptions" to the "wait to re-sign" philosophy.

    Or, maybe not.

    PFnV
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    Ask Tom Brady if Branch was a top 5 player. He said yes. He played amazingly in both his super bowls - in fact, holds a record for receptions in back to back Bowls and of course the MVP in the latter.

    Precendents have been set with 2 players only: Brady and Seymour who both got renegotiated deals mid contract.

    In terms of Warren, I love him and the 3 D-lineman could be as nasty as that Carolina line we faced in the second super bowl.
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    Tom Brady is not responsible for evaluating the talent on the squad and deciding where it is important. Thankfully, SP/BB are very good at that and Tom is very good at playing quarterback.
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    I expect they have already begun discussions with his agent. They did the same with Branch and Givens. Some choose to reup early, some do not.

    Which type is Warren? Unlike Koppen, who is a good center, Warren may be among the best at his position. His agent will likely push to get to the open market.
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    I want to believe that he is one of the good guys, wants to retire a Patriot.. but on the other hand, it is about the cash. But I can live in my little world.
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    Addai would have the MVP title also if Manning didn't stop throwing to him. That doesn't make him an $8M a year player.

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