Ron Sellers
2nd Team Getting Their First Start
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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.Sacks and Points scored are stupid stats to use. Defensive passer rating isn't bad, but in the end it comes down Red Zone defense, turnovers, pressures and how you play against the good offenses. The ideal defense right now is probably Baltimore. They have 3 guys that can rush the passer, they have a play making safety and good tackling linebackers. They don't have Tom Brady we do. That the story of the 2011 AFC season. Every good team is missing components.
Case in point, Giants and Eagles have a lot of sacks. Didn't serve them too well against the Saints or Patriots.
Last year, the Jets had the same amount of sacks as the Pats, but what mattered was that they sacked Brady 4x and picked him off when it counted.
Trying to use stats to convince yourself or others whether this is a good defense or not is an exercise in futility. This question will again answer itself in January.
The thread was to discuss Barwin as another guy Belichick missed on. The defense is not great, they are going to need the offense to carry them again.
Sacks and Points scored are stupid stats to use. Defensive passer rating isn't bad, but in the end it comes down Red Zone defense, turnovers, pressures and how you play against the good offenses. The ideal defense right now is probably Baltimore. They have 3 guys that can rush the passer, they have a play making safety and good tackling linebackers. They don't have Tom Brady we do. That the story of the 2011 AFC season. Every good team is missing components.
Case in point, Giants and Eagles have a lot of sacks. Didn't serve them too well against the Saints or Patriots.
Last year, the Jets had the same amount of sacks as the Pats, but what mattered was that they sacked Brady 4x and picked him off when it counted.
Trying to use stats to convince yourself or others whether this is a good defense or not is an exercise in futility. This question will again answer itself in January.
The thread was to discuss Barwin as another guy Belichick missed on. The defense is not great, they are going to need the offense to carry them again.
Not being selective with data. Comparing apples to apples. Not comparing 16 games to 11 games. That is not an accurate comparison. Who did the Pats face the last five games last year? Matt Flynn, Jay Cutler in a blizzard, Mark Sanchez who the Pats face three weeks ago, Chad Henne/Tyler Thigpen (Henne was benched for Thigpen), and Ryan Fitzpatrick. The only good QB the Pats faced in the last 5 games was Cutler and he was hampered by the blizzard.
You missed the point. The point wasn't the Patriots were a good defense. It was that they have improved from last year. In certain areas they have.
As for the purpose of the thread, it was to troll. There is no discussion to be had about Barwin not being drafted by Belichick.
I have to laugh because last year the mantra was that the defense sucked because turnovers are luck, and you can't depend on them happening.
Here we are twelve months later and now these people are saying that the Pats defense sucks because they're not getting enough turnovers.
:ugh:
and so what QB's do the pats have left this year? orlovski? tebow? grossman? moore? fitzpatrick? is there a point in there somewhere? is this year's data going to somehow be more meaningful since we are playing this bunch of future HOF'ers?
and in other ways, the pats have gotten worse on defense.
typical kkool-aid guzzler to call any dissention trolling
It isn't dissension that makes it trolling, its the lack of a rational argument or coherent point.
I thought we could have used Dunlap instead of Cunningham but I am not going to start "why didn't we draft" a guy everytime the player has a good game or even a good month.
If after 10 years go by and Barwin is heading to the HOF,this thread might have more reason...but now its just a spur of the moment thing that is unneccessary to have its OWN thread.
did I say turnovers were luck?
actually, that's not the definition at all, but don't let that stop you
Did I say it was the definition?
hey.....thanks.......
Barwin shoulda been here tho
Twelve pages of dealing with ignorance. I think I am out. I am wholeheartily supporting any moderator who deems it neccessary to lock this thread or banish it to the practice squad.