Congratulations coach Belichick on 300th win!!!

[venecol]

I think it's pretty clear that any coach having to win with an average QB will not have a great record. Bill is no different. The fact that Bill's coaching staff believed this just shows the level of their arrogance.

There are some exceptions. Joe Gibbs won 3 SB with Theismann, Doug Williams and Mark Rypien, none of which are HOFers. Gibbs had a .621% win record and .708% in the playoffs (3-1 in SB). Obviously it was a different era.

 

[h0c2000]

I think it's pretty clear that any coach having to win with an average QB will not have a great record. Bill is no different. The fact that Bill's coaching staff believed this just shows the level of their arrogance.

There are some exceptions. Joe Gibbs won 3 SB with Theismann, Doug Williams and Mark Rypien, none of which are HOFers. Gibbs had a .621% win record and .708% in the playoffs (3-1 in SB). Obviously it was a different era.

Bills playoff record is .705 with 3 different playoff QBs. How's that much different?

 

[venecol]

Bills playoff record is .705 with 3 different playoff QBs. How's that much different?

Bill's playoff record is 100% w/ Brady (GOAT HOFer) and 1-2 w/ two guys.

 

[Chevy]

I think it's pretty clear that any coach having to win with an average QB will not have a great record. Bill is no different. The fact that Bill's coaching staff believed this just shows the level of their arrogance.

There are some exceptions. Joe Gibbs won 3 SB with Theismann, Doug Williams and Mark Rypien, none of which are HOFers. Gibbs had a .621% win record and .708% in the playoffs (3-1 in SB). Obviously it was a different era.

Another example of what an excellent OL can do for a team.

 

[Ivan]

Wrong.

It's like saying Shula did nothing without Arnsparger.

Team sports are a collaboration between players and coaches, but their success usually depends on the leader, the man in charge making the decisions. Shula was an a**hole but he was a great coach. Parcells wanted to stay here but Kraft drove him away, and Bill wanted to keep coaching, so he went to the Jets. Belichick is one of many players and coaches who were integral to Parcells' success, who were there in the first place and did well because Parcells gave them the opportunity.

I despised Parcells for years because he coached the Giants. It's entirely irrational, subjective and lacks any substance, aside from Bill being egotistical but That's How People Are (And Have To Be) Living In New York City, and most players and coaches will tell you that Parcells' personality motivated and inspired them to do their best.

Patriots fans hate Bill today because of how he left. Even if Kraft hadn't thrown his tantrum and Parcells didn't leave, neither Bill nor Perkins was giving the ball to C-Mart and thus we weren't winning the Super Bowl. Coaches make mistakes - Parcells, Berry, Belichick - all of them.

The truth of the matter is that if a coach puts together a great coaching staff that leads to success they deserve the credit for putting that staff togethet. Same goes for making player choices that lead to

If either of you have some point to make besides how Bill got to 300 wins based on starting QB, have at it. Compare Shula, Halas, whomever.

Belichick did it under far more difficult circumstances. Shula and Landry were allowed to keep their teams together for as long as they chose, no free agency, no salary cap to deal with. Imo the best measure of just how great the Belichick/Brady Patriots is the number of different players who won championship rings with them. For the Patriots the numbers are off the charts, I doubt any other franchise is close.

 

[h0c2000]

Player	wins	losses	Regular Season
Bernie Kosar	6	10	1991
Mike Tomczak	4	4	1992
Bernie Kosar	2	5	1992
Todd Philcox	1	0	1992
Vinny Testaverde	3	3	1993
Bernie Kosar	3	3	1993
Todd Philcox	1	3	1993
Vinny Testaverde	9	4	1994
Mark Rypien	2	1	1994
Vinny Testaverde	4	8	1995
Eric Zeier	1	3	1995
Drew Bledsoe	5	11	2000
Drew Bledsoe	0	2	2001
Tom Brady	11	3	2001
Tom Brady	9	7	2002
Tom Brady	14	2	2003
Tom Brady	14	2	2004
Tom Brady	10	6	2005
Tom Brady	12	4	2006
Tom Brady	16	0	2007
Tom Brady	1	0	2008
Matt Cassel	10	5	2008
Tom Brady	10	6	2009
Tom Brady	14	2	2010
Tom Brady	13	3	2011
Tom Brady	12	4	2012
Tom Brady	12	4	2013
Tom Brady	12	4	2014
Tom Brady	12	4	2015
Tom Brady	11	1	2016
Jimmy Garappolo	2	0	2016
Jacoby Brissett	1	1	2016
Tom Brady	13	3	2017
Tom Brady	11	5	2018
Tom Brady	12	4	2019
Cam Newton	7	8	2020
Brian Hoyer	0	1	2020
Mac Jones	10	7	2021
Mac Jones	6	8	2022
Bailey Zappe	2	0	2022
Brian Hoyer	0	1	2022
Mac Jones	2	6	2023

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Player	wins	losses	Regular Season
Bernie Kosar	6	10	1991
Mike Tomczak	4	4	1992
Bernie Kosar	2	5	1992
Todd Philcox	1	0	1992
Vinny Testaverde	3	3	1993
Bernie Kosar	3	3	1993
Todd Philcox	1	3	1993
Vinny Testaverde	9	4	1994
Mark Rypien	2	1	1994
Vinny Testaverde	4	8	1995
Eric Zeier	1	3	1995
Drew Bledsoe	5	11	2000
Drew Bledsoe	0	2	2001
Tom Brady	11	3	2001
Tom Brady	9	7	2002
Tom Brady	14	2	2003
Tom Brady	14	2	2004
Tom Brady	10	6	2005
Tom Brady	12	4	2006
Tom Brady	16	0	2007
Tom Brady	1	0	2008
Matt Cassel	10	5	2008
Tom Brady	10	6	2009
Tom Brady	14	2	2010
Tom Brady	13	3	2011
Tom Brady	12	4	2012
Tom Brady	12	4	2013
Tom Brady	12	4	2014
Tom Brady	12	4	2015
Tom Brady	11	1	2016
Jimmy Garappolo	2	0	2016
Jacoby Brissett	1	1	2016
Tom Brady	13	3	2017
Tom Brady	11	5	2018
Tom Brady	12	4	2019
Cam Newton	7	8	2020
Brian Hoyer	0	1	2020
Mac Jones	10	7	2021
Mac Jones	6	8	2022
Bailey Zappe	2	0	2022
Brian Hoyer	0	1	2022
Mac Jones	2	6	2023

Zappe is a hell of a lot better than Philcox

 

[Ivan]

Player	wins	losses	Regular Season
Bernie Kosar	6	10	1991
Mike Tomczak	4	4	1992
Bernie Kosar	2	5	1992
Todd Philcox	1	0	1992
Vinny Testaverde	3	3	1993
Bernie Kosar	3	3	1993
Todd Philcox	1	3	1993
Vinny Testaverde	9	4	1994
Mark Rypien	2	1	1994
Vinny Testaverde	4	8	1995
Eric Zeier	1	3	1995
Drew Bledsoe	5	11	2000
Drew Bledsoe	0	2	2001
Tom Brady	11	3	2001
Tom Brady	9	7	2002
Tom Brady	14	2	2003
Tom Brady	14	2	2004
Tom Brady	10	6	2005
Tom Brady	12	4	2006
Tom Brady	16	0	2007
Tom Brady	1	0	2008
Matt Cassel	10	5	2008
Tom Brady	10	6	2009
Tom Brady	14	2	2010
Tom Brady	13	3	2011
Tom Brady	12	4	2012
Tom Brady	12	4	2013
Tom Brady	12	4	2014
Tom Brady	12	4	2015
Tom Brady	11	1	2016
Jimmy Garappolo	2	0	2016
Jacoby Brissett	1	1	2016
Tom Brady	13	3	2017
Tom Brady	11	5	2018
Tom Brady	12	4	2019
Cam Newton	7	8	2020
Brian Hoyer	0	1	2020
Mac Jones	10	7	2021
Mac Jones	6	8	2022
Bailey Zappe	2	0	2022
Brian Hoyer	0	1	2022
Mac Jones	2	6	2023

What’s your point?

 

[Triumph]

BB is never catching Shula when he needs 28 more wins.

 

[sb1]

Bills playoff record is .705 with 3 different playoff QBs. How's that much different?

Gibbs won titles with 3 QBs. Bill won titles with one.

The GOAT coach debate after Bill retires will be interesting. I say he is but there are also a few compelling arguments against the idea.

 

[h0c2000]

Gibbs won titles with 3 QBs. Bill won titles with one.

The GOAT coach debate after Bill retires will be interesting. I say he is but there are also a few compelling arguments against the idea.

What’s there to debate? Bill lead a team quarterbacked by Mac jones to the playoffs.

 

[sb1]

What’s there to debate? Bill lead a team quarterbacked by Mac jones to the playoffs.

Well your sig is one argument against Bill as GOAT coach...

 

[PatsFan2]

BB is never catching Shula when he needs 28 more wins.

Oh Boy that's a lot need at least two Ten win Seasons to get close enough.

 

[h0c2000]

Well your sig is one argument against Bill as GOAT coach...

That’s a goat quote.

 

[Actual Pats Fan]

Zappe is a hell of a lot better than Philcox

Oh and I take Bailey over Jimmy G every day especially on Sundays

 

[captain stone]

The absolute best to ever do it. This fan base honestly doesn’t deserve him.

Does that mean we don't deserve you too?

 

[Real fan 02]

Congratulations on win #300, Bill.

Now get the **** out.

This isn't a job for BB.. whenever you do something you love.. you never really work a day in you life.. he's here to break Shulas record. He knows this team or anything he does going forward isn't going to be a contender. I have no faith he can build a contender without the QUARTERBACK!!!!

 

[captain stone]

What’s there to debate? Bill lead a team quarterbacked by Mac jones to the playoffs.

A phony-baloney 7th seed after losing 3 of their last 4?

In the words of noted American philosopher Derrick Coleman: Whoop-de-damn-doo.

 

[Real fan 02]

A phony-baloney 7th seed after losing 3 of their last 4?

In the words of noted American philosopher Derrick Coleman: Whoop-de-damn-doo.

And to just think they were the 1 seed after the windstorm Buffalo game.. and faltered to the 7th seed...

 

[captain stone]

And to just think they were the 1 seed after the windstorm Buffalo game.. and faltered to the 7th seed...

And coming off a BYE WEEK to boot!