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  1. Disco Volante

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    By the decade they achieved their success in.

    Pittsburgh Steelers (1970-1979)
    4 Super Bowl Championships
    4 AFC Championships
    6 AFC Championship Appearances
    7 AFC Central Division Championships
    8 Playoff Appearances
    8 Winning Seasons

    Regular Season: 99-40-1 (.701)
    Playoffs: 14-4 (.778)

    San Francisco 49ers (1980-1989)
    4 Super Bowl Championships
    4 NFC Championships
    5 NFC Championship Appearances
    7 NFC West Division Champions
    8 Playoff Appearances
    8 Winning Seasons

    Regular Season: 104-49 (.678)
    Playoffs: 13-4 (.765)

    Dallas Cowboys (1990-1999)
    3 Super Bowl Championships
    3 NFC Championships
    4 NFC Championship Appearances
    6 NFC East Division Championships
    8 Playoff Appearances
    7 Winning Seasons
    Regular Season: 101-59 (.631)

    New England Patriots (2000-2008)
    3 Super Bowl Championships
    4 AFC Championships
    5 AFC Championship Appearances
    6 AFC East Division Championships
    6 Playoff Appearances
    8 Winning Seasons
    Regular Season: 102-42 (.708)

    With a year to go. One more Super Bowl to end the decade and among the four Super Bowl era dynasties we'd have the..

    Most Super Bowl Championships (Tied)
    Most Conference Championships
    Most Conference Championship Appearances
    Most Winning Seasons
    Best regular season winning percentage (With at least an 11-5 record)
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    Does losing the last Superbowl drop us off the list with those other teams? None of them choked in the big show.

    I am not saying the Pats are not a good team and it has been a great run the last 8 years but I do not think other football fans will put us on par with those teams now.
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    It is a bit of a black mark, but I don't think it takes them out of contention. Despite the end a 16-0 regular season is an accomplishment that none of those teams achieved.
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    Of course, in order to "choke" in the big show, you have to first get to the big show.
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    great post. amazing job with the research.
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    great point. i saw the same thing. its one thing no other team has. let's win the 4th and argue
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    Because clearly it's better to not make the Super Bowl than to lose in the Super Bowl...

    I figure that, if you're not going to win it, making it there is the next best possible result, yeah?
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    don't forget about the 21 game winning streak. none of those other dynasties had that.
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    Ugh I can only imagine Pitt winning this year and cutting the Pats dynasty "in half" so-to-speak.
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    Excellent thread. I'm keeping this bookmarked in case the Pats win SB XLIV.
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    Or Baltimore, they won in the beginning of the decade.....although all their other number for the decade would be questionable.
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    I just hope the trend of the Patriots missing the playoffs on a countback followed by 2 Superbowl victories holds true.
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    The 49ers had 3 straight one and done's during their run. Every team has scars.
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    Why?!? So it is more impressive to lose in the AFC Championships than the Super Bowl? Are you really saying the Pats' legacy would be better of they went 17-1 and missed the Super Bowl than 18-1 and lost the Super Bowl?
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    The Patriots certainly belong in the list of greatest dynasties, just look at the win percentage for the time. Had they won the SB last year, they would have stood first among those dynasties. That one still hurts, but it's a testament to the parity of the NFL. Clearly, it's the most competitive of all

    Winning in the NFL is hard, especially in this decade. I realize that our team is in a well set up for success next year, and for years to come, barring another obscene rash of injuries, but people shouldn't be earmarking superbowls. Hope for one, but don't expect it. It's a hard thing to do because the playing field is soooo even.
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    Excellent work, as much as I agree with this being one of the "Great Dynasties".. the media and its obsession with Spygate, will forever taint the perception of what has been accomplished... I completely disargree with this point, but all of this was compounded by the overreaction of Goodell... and others will justify it because of his actions.
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    none of those teams had an undefeated reg season either, which really is something for the history books even we dont like it b/c of the it played out in the end
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    Absolutely not! Actually, losing the Super Bowl ADDED to the Patriots resume, because it means we won 1 more conference championship relative to those other teams. A Super Bowl loss is better than not appearing in the Super Bowl at all.

    Consider: a typical Jets fan might boast that they are undefeated in the Super Bowl (1-0) whereas the Patriots are merely .500 (3-3). Does this make the Jets the better all-time team? Of course not.

    Reconsider: the Patriots have won 6 conference championships, and THEN gone on to win 3 Super Bowls, whereas the Jets are won just 1 measly conference championship (actually, AFL championship) and went on to win the single Super Bowl.

    Remember: if lose the Super Bowl, you're still the 2nd best team in the entire league. If you award 1 point for getting to the Super Bowl, and then 1 more point for winning the Super Bowl, then the Pats are up on the Jets 9-3.
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    Apparently winning the first 18 games of the season isn't an achievement...

    Maybe the NFL is different, but most winners in other sports were 2nd place as often as they were first. Celtics lost in the NBA finals, Jack Nicklaus has a record # of 2nd places in majors, etc. Winning the AFC is an achievement, so 16-0, and another AFCCG adds to our resume, no doubt.
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    Two separate 21 game winning streaks: the overall streak in 2003-2004, and the official regular season streak than ran from the last 3 games in 2006 through the first 2 games in 2008.
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    Neither did the Patriots "choke in the big show". Rather, on that day the Giants played better. The team that plays better on a given day usually wins, though sometimes they require miraculous circumstances, like a helmet catch and a dropped potential INT.

    It just always bugs me to hear it implied or stated so often that somehow that was an unearned championship, the Giants were receivers of an unanticipated gift, that the Patriots having their offensive line overwhelmed by defenders and having the other team make one more spectacular play than they did somehow equates to choking.

    I would like to have had a better game plan and better execution, but not for one moment do I think that Patriots players were unprepared, "got the yips", froze up, were deer in the headlights, or whatever phrase that you want to use that is associated in my mind with the word "choke".
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    Thanks for the feedback.

    Which is a shame, especially considering the fact...

    70's Steleers = Steriods
    80's 49ers = Salary Cap Violations
    90's Cowboys = Also taped signals
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    the agonizing part is if the defense doesnt give up a touchdown in the last 2 minutes of each game, the 2006 AFC Championship, and SB 42, the Patriots would have had 5 Super Bowl titles and would have been clearly considered the best team of all time.
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    What was Dallas's record in the playoffs in the 90s? - Not mentioned
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    91 1-1
    92 3-0 SB win
    93 3-0 SB win
    94 1-1
    95 3-0 SB win
    96 1-1
    97 0-0
    98 0-1
    99 0-1
    00 0-0
    In playoffs 8 of 10 years with a record of 12 - 5. overall record 99 - 61
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    Yup. So far, the Patriots playoff record:

    01 3-0 SB win
    02 0-0
    03 3-0 SB win
    04 3-0 SB win
    05 1-1
    06 2-1
    07 2-1
    08 0-0

    In playoffs 6 of 8 years with a record of 14-3. No one-and-dones either, unlike "team of the decade" hopefuls Colts, Steelers, and Giants.
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    Losing the superbowl means you're better than the team that lost the championship.


    Those other teams didn't "choke" in the superbowl because they weren't good enough at that point.
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    It was kind of a perfect storm though, and I think thats a lot of the reason people think the Giants received a gift.

    If Brady doesn't hurt his foot/ankle the week before, Neal getting hurt in the first quarter doesn't make a huge difference. If Neal doesn't get hurt, Brady being less mobile doesn't make a big difference.
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    Meant to add in the Patriots/Cowboys playoff records, but I had exceeded the thread edit deadline.

    Cowboys
    Playoffs: 12-5 (.701)

    Patriots
    Playoffs: 14-3 (.824)

    Also, wanted to add - in complete, where we would stand with another Super Bowl next year among the four dynasties...

    Most Super Bowl Championships (Tied)
    Most Conference Championships
    Most Conference Championship Appearances (Tied)
    Most Division Championships (Tied)
    Most Winning Seasons
    Best regular season winning percentage + wins (With at least an 11-5 record)
    Best post-season winning percentage + wins
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    I hear you and hear you all too load :(. It is something that I have said to myself several times over the last few years, imagine how things would be different if that happened . . . lookie here

    '01 - SB Champs - beat the most recent team to beat at that time - Rams

    '02 - miss PO, but only to a tie breaker, and a three way tiebreaker which is rare, had it been simply a two way tiebreaker with either the Jets or Mia we win the division , but only because it was a threeway did we not make the PO

    '03 - SB Champs

    '04 - SB Champs, 21 game win streak, 34-4 overall, 19-1 against teams with winning records, etc.

    '05 - one brain fart, bad game, iffy refs . . . it happens

    '06 - SB Champs (had we stopped PM and likely beating the Bears)

    '07 - SB Champs 19-0 (had we stopped Eli)

    '08 - TFB goes down, miss PO but do so with the best post merger record ever to miss PO

    even if you dont put up this dream sequence as an argument of best all time, and you go with just the actual results, you will have all of that above and the 06-07 SB "wins" are replaced by the fact that we had the lead in the last few minutes, so we got three SBs and were at the wire on two more . . .
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