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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments."'When I heard it yesterday, that these guys didn't have physicals, I thought, 'What is going on!? This didn't happen on my watch, did it?' said Dr. William Morgan, the (former) Red Sox's team physician.
"'That's unacceptable. Let me put it this way, the only way to really understand what is really going on with a player or a pitcher is to put your hands on them, talk to them and physically examine them. I lend much less credence to studies than to physical examinations. This was a point of discussion between myself and the administration in regards to Pedro Martinez, for example. We had a questionable MRI, but the physical examination was perfect and the performance was perfect.
"'Any physician that does not examine a patient — I don't care if it's a professional baseball player or Joe Blow living down the street — you aren't serving your patient completely.'"
-- 1.26.06, Rob Bradford, Eagle-Tribune
sdaniels7114 said:Every player out there with any mileage on his body will fail a physical if the team in question wants him to. Mota failed his physical because word of this trade got out to the Cleveland fans and they screamed bloody murder. They don't want to win later, they want to win now and this deal was about winning later for them. The funny part is how in a few years those same fans will ***** at the Indians' management for not grabbing Marte when the chance came up.
Johnny Mac said:I can't imagine having Morgan would've made a difference. It was the team's decision. They didn't want to bother with physicals, for whatever reason, and that was it.
Johnny Mac said:Yes, but I don't think it would've mattered. They had concerns from the MRIs, and they ignored them. If Morgan was there and had his way, I don't doubt they still would've done the trade, irregardless of what he said.
The Gr8est said:I do not like this trade. When the Sox won it all a couple of years ago, I thought one of the residual effects was that since we exorcised the demons we could start running the franchise smarter.
Do we need to be a top team EVERY year? What's wrong with taking a step back to take three steps forward?
Andy Marte is the kind of player we need to be acquiring and keeping...NOT trading away. We had a potential star player at 3B and we had him cost controlled for years. Now we have an expensive player at 3B for two years who may have started a precipitous slide, at best we will need another 3B in a couple of years.
The Sox gave up way too much in young talent, and now we don't even have a young C prospect if Varitek starts to lose it...Bard sounds worthless.
So if Varitek and Lowell decline, I guess we can rape our farm club again to find replacements...and we just gave away two guys who would have potentially filled the bill, and they are young and cheap.
If the Sox hadn't won it all two years ago, and we all know how close they were to losing it, then the trade of Garciaparra and Murton for Cabrera and Mientkiewicz wouldn't look very good now...would it?
mtbykr said:Well, that was a a good trade even if we didn't win it all. The problem is, that we should have signed O-cab (like i was screaming for) instead of getting rent-a-wreck! We could have had o-cab for 4/24 then, instead we thought we would "upgrade" and get rent--now look where we are. Becuase of the huge deal we gave rent, the angels signed o-cab to a huge, backloaded, deal,,,,and they can't afford to keep him now! This is one of the moves that got the "what was Theo thinking" moments!
Other than that, i agree with everything else you said!
the only reason we took lowell is to get a young 25 year old josh beckett .we gave up marte a unproven player that could be a bust or great you never know with prospects for a young talented player [crisp 26 years old ]its not like they are dumping prospects for 35 year olds.we still have plenty of great young pitching prospects lester pappelbon delcarmon and that closer i cant think of his name .so nobody is raping the farm system .name the last ten number one prospects .you cant and i cant either .thats the point .bring on coco .i love this tradeThe Gr8est said:I do not like this trade. When the Sox won it all a couple of years ago, I thought one of the residual effects was that since we exorcised the demons we could start running the franchise smarter.
Do we need to be a top team EVERY year? What's wrong with taking a step back to take three steps forward?
Andy Marte is the kind of player we need to be acquiring and keeping...NOT trading away. We had a potential star player at 3B and we had him cost controlled for years. Now we have an expensive player at 3B for two years who may have started a precipitous slide, at best we will need another 3B in a couple of years.
The Sox gave up way too much in young talent, and now we don't even have a young C prospect if Varitek starts to lose it...Bard sounds worthless.
So if Varitek and Lowell decline, I guess we can rape our farm club again to find replacements...and we just gave away two guys who would have potentially filled the bill, and they are young and cheap.
If the Sox hadn't won it all two years ago, and we all know how close they were to losing it, then the trade of Garciaparra and Murton for Cabrera and Mientkiewicz wouldn't look very good now...would it?
i think you should go on and on and provide a link to prove they were number one prospects .the point is you couldnt name them without looking them up because alot of them never pan out thats the point there is nothing silly about it .you can make a list a mile long with number one prospects that are total busts .you have no idea what marte will become and your fascination with him is silly and very disturbing.Johnny Mac said:What's with you and that "top 10 prospects" thing? It's silly. I can tell you last year's top prospect: King Felix. I'd kill for him. 2004 was Joe Mauer, who put up .294/.372/.411 in his rookie year. Damn impressive. 2003? Mark Teixeira. Who wouldn't love to have him? 2002 was a little someone named Josh Beckett. I could go on, but there's really no point.
I like Coco, and I don't think this is the worst trade in the world. I'm just going to hate watching what Marte becomes.