Cassel's stock and tag+trade-ability level...

[BelichickFan]

Belichick will do what is best for the long term interests of the team.

Letting a valuable commodity go for nothing isn't in the best long term interest. The comp pick we'd get could well be nothing if we're active in FA this offseason.

 

[spacecrime]

Not so sure about that...if they Tag him they won't have to play him until the season starts anyway.

No, but the money comes off the cap right away. So where does that $15 do the most good? SIgning FAs or tying it up hoping for a trade.

It all depends on Cassel. If he doesn't want a tag and trade, no one can force him to sign a deal with whatever team the Pats work out a trade with.

Besides, after what Casel has been doing this year for about half a mil in salary, the Pats owe it to him not to screw with him.

 

[BelichickFan]

Besides, after what Casel has been doing this year for about half a mil in salary, the Pats owe it to him not to screw with him.

The Patriots owe Cassel nothing, he'll get his money. He can play his hand per the CBA and the team can play theirs. If he wants to pick his team then he can work out a contract with that team even if it's a little less than he could get from, say, Detroit.

 

[BradyManny]

It all depends on Cassel. If he doesn't want a tag and trade, no one can force him to sign a deal with whatever team the Pats work out a trade with.

Besides, after what Casel has been doing this year for about half a mil in salary, the Pats owe it to him not to screw with him.

Where would Cassel be without the influence of Brady, Moss, Welker and McDaniels? Sure, the Pats should be grateful for Cassel, but he should feel indebted to them as well. If both sides are reasonable, and understand that they can both achieve what they want, then it will all go down just fine.

 

[mgteich]

I agree.

Why is Cassel under any pressure to do anything at all other than have his agent negotiate with other teams for a tag and trade if the patriots wish him to do so? He certainly can wait until after the draft to sign the tag while the patriots have $14M of unusable cap space in free agency. He might even sign the tag earlier. I suspect few team would give much to get Cassel at $14M on a one year contract. His cooperation will help everyone get a better deal.

I also agree that a 2010 1st is fine. I prefer a 2009 1st, since we would know what that is worth. If it is a 2010, I would prefer a sliding scale depending on

The Patriots owe Cassel nothing, he'll get his money. He can play his hand per the CBA and the team can play theirs. If he wants to pick his team then he can work out a contract with that team even if it's a little less than he could get from, say, Detroit.

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

I agree.

Why is Cassel under any pressure to do anything at all other than have his agent negotiate with other teams for a tag and trade if the patriots wish him to do so? He certainly can wait until after the draft to sign the tag while the patriots have $14M of unusable cap space in free agency. He might even sign the tag earlier. I suspect few team would give much to get Cassel at $14M on a one year contract. His cooperation will help everyone get a better deal.

I also agree that a 2010 1st is fine. I prefer a 2009 1st, since we would know what that is worth. If it is a 2010, I would prefer a sliding scale depending on

It doesn't matter to me whether the furst rounder is 2010 or 2009. Granted the team he goes to could have a turnaround like miami, but a first rounder is a first rounder.

I think under the curcumstances having him franchised vs under contract that anything higher than a mid 2nd is gravy, although last year people laughed at me when I said we could get matt schaub type picks

 

[VJCPatriot]

No, but the money comes off the cap right away. So where does that $15 do the most good? SIgning FAs or tying it up hoping for a trade.

It all depends on Cassel. If he doesn't want a tag and trade, no one can force him to sign a deal with whatever team the Pats work out a trade with.

Besides, after what Casel has been doing this year for about half a mil in salary, the Pats owe it to him not to screw with him.

Wrong, they don't owe him anything except what is best for their franchise. They were the team that believed in him, drafted him, kept him on the roster, and developed him so he could have the chance he had this season to be a success. Tagging Cassel and getting VALUE as well as making sure that he doesn't end up with a division rival are all things the Pats should do to protect their best self interests.

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

Wrong, they don't owe him anything except what is best for their franchise. They were the team that believed in him, drafted him, kept him on the roster, and developed him so he could have the chance he had this season to be a success. Tagging Cassel and getting VALUE as well as making sure that he doesn't end up with a division rival are all things the Pats should do to protect their best self interests.

I agree. Do what is best for the TEAM, they've always done this.

 

[pao]

Right now is NOT February-March when Brady will be yet another 2-3 months into rehab with his progress status well understood by his top rank doctors and rehab specialists.

NFW they tag Matt to keep him UNLESS there's an unexpected setback with Brady's rehab. Start of camp in July is WELL WITHIN the timeframe for professional atheletes to recover from the procedure.

Didn't Brady have his ACL replaced? PR had his ACL removed the Monday before the AFCCG, played the game, had the ACL removed afterwards and is having his best season. That was at the END of last season. Brady's injury was at the BEGINNING of this season. You are worried he won't be ready by the beginning of NEXT season? I thought their injuries were similar.

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Didn't Brady have his ACL replaced? PR had his ACL removed the Monday before the AFCCG, played the game, had the ACL removed afterwards and is having his best season. That was at the END of last season. Brady's injury was at the BEGINNING of this season. You are worried he won't be ready by the beginning of NEXT season? I thought their injuries were similar.

You need to realize that the culture of many Pats fans has been fataly polluted by the BOSTON Red Sox loser negative mentality, a psyche that has never adjusted to the antithetical culture of excellence, dilligence and winning epitimized by those such as Bill Belichick and Tom HOF Brady among many others we're undeservedly blessed by in the current Patriots.

This is a town that was sadly mostly indifferent to the prior excellence of the Auerbach and Russell era Celtics, a similar culture of excellence, while instead they preferred to wail "Why Me?" as the over paid favored boys of summer underperformed. Fortunately, now even that culture has changed somewhat. These are good times. Just not every one realizes it though.

 

[WhiZa]

No one has mentioned another benefit of trading Cassel. To keep him away from the Jets. It's looking like the Jets will miss the playoffs, and will probably dump Favre. Cassel will be #1 on their list if they have any salary cap space left next year.

 

[BelichickFan]

No one has mentioned another benefit of trading Cassel. To keep him away from the Jets. It's looking like the Jets will miss the playoffs, and will probably dump Favre. Cassel will be #1 on their list if they have any salary cap space left next year.

Yeah, controlling where he goes is important.

Gotta love The Jest, they're probably missing the playoffs and they'll be back to Kellen Clemens at the top of their depth chart until they find a way to get someone else, at it's not easy to go out and get a winning QB.

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

Yeah, controlling where he goes is important.

Gotta love The Jest, they're probably missing the playoffs and they'll be back to Kellen Clemens at the top of their depth chart until they find a way to get someone else, at it's not easy to go out and get a winning QB.

yeah imagine if the jets tried to snatch cassel and mcdaniels. so that would be another benefit of franchising him

 

[WhiZa]

I was thinking about if the Lions decided to trade for Cassel instead of taking a QB number 1. If they franchised him that would have to pay him over 12 million unless they could work out a long term deal, but even then you are looking at 9 million a year.

Taking Jamarcus Russell's contract 2 years ago, he currently counts for only 5 million against the cap. While unproven, these new QBs coming in are still cheaper.

 

[Steamer86]

It doesn't matter to me whether the furst rounder is 2010 or 2009. Granted the team he goes to could have a turnaround like miami, but a first rounder is a first rounder.

I think under the curcumstances having him franchised vs under contract that anything higher than a mid 2nd is gravy, although last year people laughed at me when I said we could get matt schaub type picks

LAST YEAR WE COULD NOT HAVE RECEIVED SHAUB TYPE PICKS for Cassel. Many predicted he would be cut in TC after poor preseason performances. The only reason it is a possibility now is because he played a full season and played well, with much help from Moss and Welker - (see Brady's stats in 2006 compared to 2007)...

 

[PatsFan2]

I was thinking about if the Lions decided to trade for Cassel instead of taking a QB number 1. If they franchised him that would have to pay him over 12 million unless they could work out a long term deal, but even then you are looking at 9 million a year.

Taking Jamarcus Russell's contract 2 years ago, he currently counts for only 5 million against the cap. While unproven, these new QBs coming in are still cheaper.

But Whiza are you taking Upfront money into consideration or that's on the owner? There is a risk/reward factor with taking a unproven draftee over someone who has game seasoning. Matt Ryan being the exception but Baltimore Joe Flacco is nothing special yet. My point on Cassel is i think the upside is there because this year was his only opportunity to play and he has pass the test.

 

[mgteich]

Yes, the patriots could pay Cassel $14M to sit on the bench, so that the jets don't sign him.

yeah imagine if the jets tried to snatch cassel and mcdaniels. so that would be another benefit of franchising him

 

[BradyManny]

Yes, the patriots could pay Cassel $14M to sit on the bench, so that the jets don't sign him.

Once again, we won't have to pay him that $14 milli.

 

[BelichickFan]

Once again, we won't have to pay him that $14 milli.

Right, this "risky" thing is nonsense. As long as we can trade him he's off the books. A surprisingly weak market ? All we need is a team willing to give us a 2012 #7 and he's off the books. Think a team would give up basically nothing to pay him the Franchise money for a year (I'm going on the worst case here that they can't do a long term deal this offseason) and re-visit later ? Of course they would. There is no risk other than the crazy unlikely scenario that he signs the offer then tears up his knee before being traded.