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If you are telling the Patriots to pay up, tell us what you think the Patriots should give him.
While I totally disagree with the original poster, I do believer it is a lot more likely that Assante IS the real deal and will continue to develop into an elite CB. However if I was his agent, I would advise him to do the following.
If we can't get the money we think we are worth, Go to other teams and try and work out a trade that would be reasonable (like a first this year, 2nd next year, and a 3rd the year after) If that didn't work, I'd run down to Foxboro and sign my tender for $7.8MM
First that sets him up for life, GUARANTEED. If he goes out and shows that last year wasn't a fluke, he is an UFA at age 27, and can get a better deal. At Worst the Pats would franchise him again and would be forced to pay him $9.36MM and I would have him run down and sign THAT deal. That would mean that if he played well, he'd only be 28 when he became a UFA again, and if the Pats wanted to franchise him again, it would be for $11.2MM again GUARANTEED.
As I said in another thread, the only difference between a guy signing a LT contract with a lot of money guaranteed, and being franchised is, under the franchising tag, the player would actually have to EARN the money. AND WTF is wrong with that!!!!!!
While I totally disagree with the original poster, I do believer it is a lot more likely that Assante IS the real deal and will continue to develop into an elite CB. However if I was his agent, I would advise him to do the following.
If we can't get the money we think we are worth, Go to other teams and try and work out a trade that would be reasonable (like a first this year, 2nd next year, and a 3rd the year after) If that didn't work, I'd run down to Foxboro and sign my tender for $7.8MM
First that sets him up for life, GUARANTEED. If he goes out and shows that last year wasn't a fluke, he is an UFA at age 27, and can get a better deal. At Worst the Pats would franchise him again and would be forced to pay him $9.36MM and I would have him run down and sign THAT deal. That would mean that if he played well, he'd only be 28 when he became a UFA again, and if the Pats wanted to franchise him again, it would be for $11.2MM again GUARANTEED.
As I said in another thread, the only difference between a guy signing a LT contract with a lot of money guaranteed, and being franchised is, under the franchising tag, the player would actually have to EARN the money. AND WTF is wrong with that!!!!!!
I agree with the original poster of the thread......
It is unfortunate to see the Pats open up their wallets for guys who have done absolutely nothing for this team (at least not yet), while..........
a.)one of their own guys is more deserving of receiving a big payday
b.)and the Pats franchising him is keeping him from getting a big payday from some other team
This situation just isn't right.
This might even be a locker room distraction for some of the other guys as well. Guys like Vrabel and Warren have to at list be a little bit bitter that new guys on the team are making more money than guys that have already helped bring three championships to the organization.
Before it was okay for the Pats to play hardball with their own free agents because they played hardball with everyone. Now they are heading down a dangerous path of setting the trend of only playing hardball with your own guys.
Wait a minute...this was his best year...BY FAR his best...but who is really deserving here... Briggs, Grant, Freeny.. THEY ALL have had 4+ solid years and they do deserve the big bucks...Asante?? Sorry he has had one and his others have been OK but not top dollar like these 3 other franchised players. Top cover??
I agree he is good..but it remains to be seen if he is in the "top cover" category. Excuse me?? 7 million is neglecting to pay a productive player?? Sorry...you sound like some troll from another board. I really wonder how much Asante would have gotten on the open market..more than 7 mill?? How much is he demanding?? Bailey, Bly, Clements money?? Sorry if he is asking for that..it is way way too much..
Samuel's first three years, expressed as "passes defensed," may tell us more than the Sportscenter hilite reel having to do with interceptions. INTs can be game-changing events, but they can also happen for reasons not related to coverage skills. Also, 10 INTs in a season is considered good... so that means you actually "make a play" between once a game and once every two games? No way.
It's really hard to get stats like "did they throw at your side of the field," etc., but even if it wasn't, it wouldn't be reliable, because you have to adjust for who's across from you. You could be great, but play next to Deion Sanders, and voila, everybody throws to your side of the field... that's why I like PDs as an indicator (that's the number of times you break up the play before the receiver gets the ball.) Anyway...
PD
04 12
05 16
06 24
Or, you can look at INTs...
04 1
05 3
06 10
Because of the low frequency of INTs, it looks flukier. But I would say the PD stats look like a developing star, not a fluke.
He's also making a ton of tackles, just like Law use to, 60 last year. Everybody always says a CB making a lot of tackles is a bad thing, because that means someone caught a ball. Well, yeah, pretty much. But when you're not playing press coverage every down, it's expected you will sometimes give up short routes to not get burned on the long ones. Anybody can make the tackle on any play, beyond that... of course, the majority will be a guy tackling his man, after that man caught the ball. So anyway, his tackles have increased from 44 to 60 in the same year in which his INTs increased from 3 to 10. You might just conclude he's trying to make plays sometimes, missing, but keeping his head enough to make the tackle. Maybe that's reading too much in.
Anyway, the point is, he's trending upward in every way you can statistically measure.
Scott Pioli and BB have these statistics, of course. They have miles of game tape. They have intangible memories of being there, and BB has knowledge of skills, points he's worked on, hundreds of practices, etc.
And they came up with a value for him.
Asante has his memories of some moments of glory, some headlines, all those points he worked on, all those hours of practices, and surprise, surprise, with his agent, he's come up with a value for himself.
Then there are items such as deal structure noted above.
It's a matter of whether Pats' Value + intangible wiggling = Asante's self-assessment.
But if it's pure market value? The Pats are 1 of 32 teams. Odds are 32 to 1 against them placing the highest value on Asante. Luckily, it's going to take more than a hair's difference to move most guys... so we would only have to be in the top tier of teams, you would think, in terms of our belief in a given player. Still call it 8 to 1 against.
In other words, take the best deal the market could conceivably give you, and most times that means you leave your original team. "Home Town Discount" is the delta between what your own team pays, and the high offer on the market. If the delta is not significant (say, less than $500K per year,) you may consider sticking for the ring, Asante.
Just one fan's opinion.
PFnV
I agree with the original poster of the thread......
It is unfortunate to see the Pats open up their wallets for guys who have done absolutely nothing for this team (at least not yet), while..........
a.)one of their own guys is more deserving of receiving a big payday
b.)and the Pats franchising him is keeping him from getting a big payday from some other team
This situation just isn't right.
This might even be a locker room distraction for some of the other guys as well. Guys like Vrabel and Warren have to at list be a little bit bitter that new guys on the team are making more money than guys that have already helped bring three championships to the organization.
Before it was okay for the Pats to play hardball with their own free agents because they played hardball with everyone. Now they are heading down a dangerous path of setting the trend of only playing hardball with your own guys.
what should a heart surgeon hold out for? i think the average heart surgeon is way underpaid at $500K/yr... hospitals should franchise tag them... who is worth more, a top 5 heart surgeon, or a top 5 CB? get a grip on reality people... miguel does a great job on the cap analysis... how much do you think patriots players donate to his charity, bread of life?As a huge fan of the Patriots, I am in a tricky situation on this. I want to sit here and pretend that Asante is asking for too much, but lets face the facts. The guy is a consistently productive cornerback coming off his best year yet and is a legitimately top cover corner in the league. I'm not putting him in that "shutdown corner" slot just yet cause he does have a lot to prove still. I think its an insult that the Pats will go out and spend (for once) on guys who haven't proved anything in our system (welker,washington,thomas..etc) but neglect to pay a productive player. With all this being said some players have gotten greedy with the patriots before (Law,Branch, Milloy..etc) and all of them in my opinion, deserved to be cut or traded. Pay up patriots! Because Asante is going to be cosistently productive for a long long time...
yeah, poor asante is being, in your words, FORCED to play football...mg, i like your roster predictions, and some things you post... you are way off base here... asante is not being forced to play in the nfl under the contract that HIS union agreed to... he is free to work at any other job in the united states... if you think he is being forced to work, for only $8M, what else do you think he should do for work? do you think he could do your job? im sure he'd do it for millions less per year than his franchise tag.Nope, AS has no leverage. If this is true, I suggest that this discussion continue in mid-July or perhaps August. Certainly, you do not expect to see Samuel before then. And yes, Asante will show up for practice at the last possible minute. After all, since this is all about business, he needs to show up in time for his first $500K paycheck. Yes, he will take out insurance. He will play as required by the league's rules likely with little or not enthusiasm. Certainly, he will never play hurt.
This "attitude" will certainly affect his value for some teams. Others understand, and couldn't care less if a player dislikes a team that uses the franchise tag to the letter of the CBA. There is about zero reason to be believe that AS will be a star for the patriots. More likely is that he will be injured after a game or two, and collect the $8M on the bench or on IR.
Keep your dreams of forcing AS to be a start performer. They are indeed dreams.
I am certainly not saying that AS and the patriots can't sign a deal, even a one year deal for him to play, with no tag next year. But, don't believe for a second that he has no leverage.
This "attitude" will certainly affect his value for some teams. Others understand said:Those "other teams" are very foolish IMO then. I expect football players to play football because they love the game. If a player only plays for money, I suspect that no winning team would be willing to risk mega bucks to sign him.
As a huge fan of the Patriots, I am in a tricky situation on this. I want to sit here and pretend that Asante is asking for too much, but lets face the facts. The guy is a consistently productive cornerback coming off his best year yet and is a legitimately top cover corner in the league. I'm not putting him in that "shutdown corner" slot just yet cause he does have a lot to prove still. I think its an insult that the Pats will go out and spend (for once) on guys who haven't proved anything in our system (welker,washington,thomas..etc) but neglect to pay a productive player. With all this being said some players have gotten greedy with the patriots before (Law,Branch, Milloy..etc) and all of them in my opinion, deserved to be cut or traded. Pay up patriots! Because Asante is going to be cosistently productive for a long long time...