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No prognosis on if he could play next week. 49ers post game guy: "doesn't look good".
I think they sucked with him anyways so it dont matter much there still a below .500 team in my opinion.
you have a link saying it's separated?
Yes, below .500, but at least Smith was mobile. And, he was improving (slowly). Dilfer looked more like a statue today than Drew Bledsoe in a Cowboys uni. The 49ers look like 2004 again. Bad for the Bay Area, but good for that draft pick.
We'll trade their pick for a 1st in '09
... and a 2nd in '08.
SF's first pick in '08
will just be too conjectural ... and too expensive.
Nothing on ESPN.com, KNBR.com, CBSsports.com yet, but I heard it on 49ers postgame radio, KNBR, San Francisco.
I'm betting that Matt Cassel is traded to Chicago for a 2nd rounder or higher. I'm saying Chicago because of the obvious need and BB relationship with The Chicago GM
They have two wins, some bad opponents and a respectable defense, they'll win enough to not be TERRIBLE. Now, if they were 0-4 right now like they could be that would be different. We're looking at 8-8 best case for them I think.
John McEnroe: "You CAN'T be SERIOUS!!!"
Nobody is going to give a second round pick for Matt Cassell.
they gave a 2nd rounder for matt schaub... i'd say chicago is depserate.
a sixth is about it for mr cassel... I think Kyle Orton will be starting before the season is up....
Alex Smith sucks anyway.
Right, but Matt Schaub at least had a couple of NFL starts on his resume and had looked decent. Matt Cassell didn't even start in college. So, unless Brady gets hurt (and I am sure nobody here wants that to happen) and Cassell comes in and plays well, I stand by my previous opinion.
The math is simple.
Matt Schaub: 2004 3rd Rd Pick + 2 good 2005 games = 2007 and 2008 2nd round picks.
Matt Cassel: 2005 7th Rd Pick + 1 decent 2005 game = not a 2nd round pick.
or by the last quarter of the season the pats have games wrapped up by the 4th quarter or they choose to rest brady the last game of the season.
with that said....it is pretty obvious that they are keep guitierrez for a reason and that cassel is out soon.
ya great logic.... where you're drafted determines your value... tell that to brady
Tom Brady: 2000 6th Rd Pick + ~100 great regular/post season games = many 1st round picks
For now I've moved to the "we won't get much for him" camp simply because he's so unproven and it's a strong QB draft. However I do think we could get something like a #3 or #4. A team looking for a QB with upside would be better going with a guy with physical skills who's played behind Brady for 3-4 years as opposed to some round 3/4 rookie.
I think that that SF pick is mor eimportant than a lot of Pats fans seem to think. We need to start preparing for the departure of some of our more senior linebackers (specifically inside). You don't draft for the next year, you draft for two or three seasons ahead of time.
Just stop. You'll get yourself killed. This is nonsense. Matt Schaub is a QUALITY, proven-ish NFL Quarterback. Cassel hasn't played since high school. He's a decent back-up option, but you're not getting a 5th for him, let alone a 2nd.
If Brady were to get hurt - God forbid - and Cassel came in and did well, then you'd have something. But trust me, your scenario is incredibly unlikely.
From the AP recaps:
CASSEL HAS NOT SHOWN ANYTHING IN THE NFL. SCHAUB HAD prior to being traded. Stop making a fool of yourself.
Second round picks haven't shown anything either. John Beck or Cassel ? You pick. Beck's college experience vs. Cassel with 4 years of NFL coaching behind Brady - it's a close call.
Alright everyone while Schaub certainly had mnor eopportunities to perform than Cassel he wasn't exactly setting the league on fire. I will agree that Cassel will not be worth close to a second rounder after this year, but going by his number Schaub wasn't worth a second rounder either.
Schaub started only two games with the falcons.
In the time he played for the Falcons, Schaub completed 84 of 161 pass attempts for 1033 yards. He had 6 touchdowns and 6 INTerceptions. He was sacked 12 times.
I think hype and college reputation had a lot more to do with Schaub's trade value. If you remember, he only had one start (the one against us) and he was already proclaimed a great option to trade for/sign as an exclusive rights free agent. Nobody is talking about Cassel. He barely played in college, there's almost no performance info on him.
Cassel (right now) isn't worth a second and by going only on his stats in Atlanta Schaub wasn't either.
Until you start 5 games, (or 100 in Brady's case), it does determine what your value is. What film is there out on Cassell for another team to study? Break out those High school VHSs from 1999.
I hope Alex Smith makes a full recovery next offseason.
FULL, I say, to clear my conscience.
But I want the Pats to have a nice high pick, both for obvious reasons and also to stick it everybody who rejoiced at the penalty.
Besides, until the injury the 9ers had good game luck this season.
Of course, I'm assuming having him sit will be bad for the team's short-term record ...
I think SF is headed for disaster. I see 5-11 written all over this. My draft itch is starting early.
Could be but with a solid defense and what should be a solid running game they'll scrape out a few. Of course, every game will be losable the way they're looking right now and the lack of a passing game can quickly shut down a running game.
It still grinds me to the core that we had our #1 stolen but we could have a lot of value, by pick or trade, with this SF #1.
I dont wish injuries for any team. But i do wish losses for the 9ers.
as far as I'm concerned its 2 down and 7 to go. A nice 7-9 record will get the Pats a nice pick around 15 which is a good place to pick a good value like we did when we grabbed Ty Warren at 14
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