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    Figured i`d go to my favorite site to see what AV is up too.
    I found nothing posted about him .
    Not even in the globe is his name to be found.
    Out of site out of mind i guess.
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    Nothing to report he didn't sign with the Packers yesterday, so now it's wait and see. I don't expect him to be back, I think he made up his mind and is going no matter what.
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    If AV has made up his mind and is gone, what are the options for his replacement? Vanderjerk? Id rather have Keyshawn on this team. Willie's departure was a dark day for the Pats. If AV leaves, we will have a long road ahead before training camp.
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    Two words.... Doug Flutie ;)
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    I'm just guessing but I have the impression Adam is finding out no team is going to pay a kicker as much as he thought he'd get offered after all the adulation he's recieved since 2001. I'm not predicting he's coming back to Foxboro or not, but I'm guessing he thought he'd be showered with big offers and has now found out he's not getting them. Pure speculation on my part.
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    It is kind of odd that Vinatieri and his agent have suddenly stopped calling all reporters this weekend.

    He screwed himself by making it so obvious to the entire league that all he cares about is the benjamins. Everybody is leery of even talking to the guy because they already know his demands are ridiculous. He might as well go whole hog and hire the Poston brothers.
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    If GB made him an offer that he can't refuse, he would have signed by now.

    Who knows what he's up to and I'm beginning not to care.

    BTW: I can't post on any of the older threads. I get the 10 charature message. Anyoone else have this problem?
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    Maybe they're trying to tell you something. :D
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    I seem to recall reading tha the had vacation plans in Argentina? That wouldn't stop his agent from negotiating though.

    In the meantime, when does BB really piss him off and make an offer for Josh Brown or sign Edinger?
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    I've told you before and I'll tell you again: McGinest, Givens, and Vinatieri will all re-sign.







    ...Oh, wait....

    Well, I'm batting .000 on that statement from a few days ago, so let's hope that becomes .333.
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    Apon further review, I don't think I really want to anyway.:cool:
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    * Yeah. TO gets 10 million for one year, but teams are leery about Adam.
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    If I were Belichick, I would call Adam's agent and inform him that I am making the following offer (Longwood's deal plus 10%) this afternoon to another kicker and, out of "respect", I'm giving Adam the opportunity to "match" or accept the same offer before I do the deal.

    This nonsense has gone on too long.
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    They are leery because they think Adam is just jerking them around, the same way he's been jerking the Pats around, shopping their offer all over town.

    If you notice, Adam hasn't exactly had a plethora of visits lined up.
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    I agree and disagree..... AV is playing his game for all it can bring him. If someone steps up and overpays, yeah, he is probably gone. Doesn't seem like anyone is willing to do that though. I cannot stop thinking that 3MM plus for a kicker is a lot of money - it will means we cannot keep a couple of players that we would have liked to have paid more than vet min, and we end up with cheap FA's or rookies filling the spot that the excess cash for AV will take away.

    Who is the team player and who cares about the team when that happens??

    Then again, it is AV and the man is money......I agree with you that I am sick of it, but, is there really any hurry??
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    Here is Adam's agent talking to BB. Do you want to guess what he's saying?

    [​IMG]
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    Relax, people

    AV will be back, if the Pats and he have the same number in mind to peg his value to.

    I think more than the McGinnest case, AV is "testing the waters." Yes, he should do so, especially as a kicker. Rarely in this game does a kicker stir up the attention Vinaterri has, and all sides recognize this. However, BB et al. also recognize you need to peg a value to each player, and 3M+ is just sky-high for a kicker.

    Will they pay it? I would say they would pay 3 point something, and probably not 3.5 - although I may be wrong.

    My biggest question is, who are the guys they're saving the 17 mil in cap room for? The draft money comes from the "rookie pool," and the big-money free agents are dropping like flies.

    If past experience is any guide, it will all become crystal clear in retrospect, and we'll all be whining about how BB and SP have "lost it this time" until then.

    One possibility: does anybody know whether signing bonus money etc. comes from the rookie pool? If that is not the case, the Pats could be building toward paying some up-front money to people they sign from the draft NOW, rather than prorating, to buy them later cap space. I've given up trying to second-guess these guys, but they always seem to come up with something nobody else is doing based on value.

    So if the FA pool provides bad value from their perspective, what's to stop the Pats from taking some cap hits - from the draft or in the form of paying their present guys - to make the cap friendlier in the "out years"?

    Of course, I think this would mean re-signing AV too. But then again, that's why my name's not Scott Paoli (sp?)

    Later,

    PFinV
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    * If he hasn't had many visits then who is he shopping all over town with? You're making stuff up.
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    There's no rookie pool that is separate from the cap.
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    Agent contacts team. Team and agent discuss "parameters". If the "parameters" are in the ballpark, player goes for a visit and (hopefully) leaves with a big contract or goes on to the next place with promising "parameters".

    It appears that Adam hasn't been too successful shopping "parameters" that exceed what he already has on the table from the Pats.

    Jim Donaldson in the ProJo did the legwork to find the largest kicker contracts signed in recent years, starting with the most recent:

    KICKER TEAM YEARS VALUE BONUS DATE

    Ryan Longwell Vikings 5 $10 $3 3/06
    David Akers Eagles 5 10 3 11/05
    Neil Rackers Cardinals 4 6.5 -- 11/05
    Kris Brown Texans 5 8 2 5/05
    Jason Elam Broncos 5 9 2.6 2/03
    Sebastian Janikowski Raiders 5 10.5 2.8 12/04
    Olindo Mare Dolphins 6 12 -- 3/01
    Mike Vanderjagt Colts 5 7.4 1.5 2/01

    With Longwell and Akers just signing 5 year $10 million deals with $3 million in bonus money, I would say that Vinatieri is unlikely, at this point, to beat his $2.5 million from last year in a new deal. The market just isn't there for kickers. I'd rather have Akers than Vinatieiri, even up. He's younger and has a slightly better career percentage and a stronger leg. They are both excellent kickers.
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    With Longwell and Akers just signing 5 year $10 million deals with $3 million in bonus money, I would say that Vinatieri is unlikely, at this point, to beat his $2.5 million from last year in a new deal. The market just isn't there for kickers. I'd rather have Akers than Vinatieiri, even up. He's younger and has a slightly better career percentage and a stronger leg. They are both excellent kickers.[/QUOTE]

    * I posted at the start of FA that Adam wasn't going to get that good a deal because he's just a PK.
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    Then, why is Vinatieri bustin' the Pats' balls? Assuming that they offered him something in line with Akers or Longwell money, it just shouldn't be that hard to get a deal done with a frickin' kicker -- especially one that has endorsement deals out the wazoo in his current city.

    Akers and the Eagles didn't have any trouble arriving at a top-of-the-market deal. Longwell had his deal with the Vikings done even before the tampering period ended.
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    If Vinatieri's agent isn't dialing for dollars around the NFL, then WTF is Vinateiri doing? Just jerking the Pats around for the sport of it? Please explain it to me?

    The logical assumption is that Vinatieri has spent the first week of free agency shopping for the best deal he can find in order to compare it to the Pats' offer and sell his services to the highest bidder. One can only assume that he hasn't gotten a lot of nibbles at his asking price, or he would have had more than one visit.

    Now, you are telling me that his agent is NOT calling other teams? Adam is just sitting at home playing tiddlewinks? I don't understand that. It's not logical.
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    I can only assume he was pissed for being franchised - no bonus money, nothing but one year deals.

    It is AMAZING to me that my favorite kicker of all time is quickly going from legend & hero in my mind to a/hole. I cannot believe that I really do not care whether we sign AV or Akers, Josh Brown or even Edinger at this point. I am sure I am not alone.

    Adam V. what have you done? Does he or his agent have any clue that his playing hardball seems to be wearing thin and may very well backfire on him?

    Then I stop and Snowbowl kick, SB 36, Tenn & Colt playoff games etc., run through my brain.
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    I've already written him off. If we keep him, that would be great. But I think he's determined to leave... even if he takes a little less elsewhere. Thick-headed little Italian bastid. :D (j/k... I have only the highest regard for people of Italian descent ;) )
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    * Just about time for the Soprano's, which is the only thing giving Sundays any value this time of year -:) I don't hold it against players that are FA's, whether because thier contract ran out or they were released, from trying to get the best deal possible. If I were them I'd probably do the same thing. I also don't feel a player is wrong to take less to stay with the same team. It's their choice where they go and for what deal that's offered. It's the reality of NFL football.
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    I don't think the Pats wanted to franchise Vinatieri last year. It killed them capwise compared to a long-term deal -- in year when they had a double-dip on Brady's proration and Law's dead money hit.

    Instead, I think the Pats probably offered Adam a competitive top-of-the-market deal last year and he busted their balls then, just like he is doing now. This has really been bubbling for the last four years.
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