Aaron Hernandez charged with murder

[PATS68]

Why do I keep reading through these posts "circumstantial evidence" when it is not circumstantial evidence. A body, recovered shell casings, GPS tracked phone, the staged gun at the crime scene, and video from his home is all direct evidence.

 

[randomk1]

So....should i be changing my avatar now?

Holy ****

 

[Bill Lee]

Pretty certain what will be filling the airwaves and the Interwebs for the next several weeks/months now...

 

[Zeus]

However, a militant Marxist revolutionary is in the Oval Office and seems to have the communists rallying around him. FYI: this can attested to by Marxist revolutionaries/planners who knew him at Occidental College. And his mentor, Frank Marshall Davis was a card carrying member of the Communist Party USA (#47544). What do you understand about communism? Historically, communists who have been caught by the US Govt call accusers Red-bating lunes and declare themselves "progressives." Progressive utopia places an absolute faith in central planner..this is communism, folks. Once Henry Wallace's Progressive Party collapsed, the CPUSA infiltrated the Democratic Party; running members into elections for delegates.

So, although we might not be a communist nation, yet, plans are underway. Did Pope Francis really say that socialism causes misery, and that America is heading towards a form of communism? Did Pope Francis really say that socialism causes misery, and that America is heading towards a form of communism? – Telegraph Blogs …

I have a question about tin foil hats.

Do you have to make a new one every day or do they last longer than that?

 

[Delicate Genius]

When the news first broke last week it didn't even cross my mind that this would be the outcome. I'm completely shocked by what has transpired. Just sixteen months ago Hernandez was celebrating a touchdown in the Super Bowl. Now this.

As a fan I'm going to miss seeing him on the field. He should have had a long, successful career.

I've lost all respect for the guy and hope he is given the punishment he deserves.

 

[Bruins29]

Why do I keep reading through these posts "circumstantial evidence" when it is not circumstantial evidence. A body, recovered shell casings, GPS tracked phone, the staged gun at the crime scene, and video from his home is all direct evidence.

All that is circumstantial. None of it proves he did it. Of course we all think he did.

Non circumstantial evidence would be something like someone testifying he did it (which they may have) or a video of him doing it. Or an admittance.

AS dues pointed out, most murders are solved with circumstantial evidence. Its rare when they have video or someone saying "he did it"

 

[JMC00]

Daughter, multi-million dollar contract, being considered one of the best at your position, fame, set for pretty much life

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Deciding to kill someone for freaking talking to people you have problems with, spending the rest of your life in prison.

 

[Rick Sanford 25]

Defense already claiming this is a circumstantial case but that's some serious hope and prayers stuff. This is more then they had on OJ and short of prosecutorial missteps, the Juice would be in jail.

Innocent until proven guilty, sure, I understand that. But how anyone can come away from that laundry list and still think this is all just silly prosecutors focused on AH "because he's famous" is beyond me.

This is just what the prosecution showed now. I would not be surprised if one or both of the other 2 guys in the car have turned witness, especially when you note that neither have been named or in the spotlight (that I have seen).

This is a real shame, on so many levels.

We just sent someone away for 15 years on a weapons possession charge......purely circumstantial evidence. Overpowering circumstantial evidence.

 

[LivinLovin&Breathin_Brady]

If the part of him financially assisting his accomplices to leave town is true, why would he not leave himself?

Could the reason he looked defiant in court be, because he didn't commit the murder? If the accomplices killed Lloyd for him, it could be why he paid them to leave town. Why wouldn't he leave town? Maybe he thought with them out of the picture and himself not actually committing the crime, he could escape any trouble. Perhaps, he's wrong.
The Patriots had to have been aware of the evidence that was growing against him, why not release him last week?

I know I've been one of the one's calling him guilty, and he probably is, but there's something missing from all this and I can't put my finger on it.

 

[Deus Irae]

However, a militant...

Wrong forum

wrong day

 

[VJCPatriot]

Re: Hernandez arraignment starting now

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Count #1 is murder.

No obstruction.

WTF dude? Murder? You're a multi-freaking millionaire, and you decide to go kill someone? Hey if you have a beef just go punch him in the face a few times but why kill him? FREAKING IDIOT AHERN!!

 

[Steve102]

Why do I keep reading through these posts "circumstantial evidence" when it is not circumstantial evidence. A body, recovered shell casings, GPS tracked phone, the staged gun at the crime scene, and video from his home is all direct evidence.

Recovered shell casings are circumstantial, I believe. they don't tie him to the murder, without a murder weapon Video of him leaving, coming back, while the timeline supports him as the shooter, are circumstantial.

Mind you, I'm not an attorney. I watched Law and Order at a Holiday Inn once. I'll defer to the attorneys in the thread.

 

[PatsFaninAZ]

Why do I keep reading through these posts "circumstantial evidence" when it is not circumstantial evidence. A body, recovered shell casings, GPS tracked phone, the staged gun at the crime scene, and video from his home is all direct evidence.

So, "circumstantial" evidence is where you need to draw inferences from a direct fact in order to establish that the defendant is guilty of a crime.

Is it possible you are confusing physical evidence with direct evidence? A shell casing is physical evidence, but it does not establish any fact one way or other -- except that there is a shell casing -- without an additional inference being drawn.

A funny anecdote about a supposedly (but probably not) true cross examination shows the difference:

Q: You testified the defendant bit the victim's nose, right?

A: Yes.

Q: Did you actually see the defendant bite the victim in the nose?

A: No, I didn't see that part.

Q: Then how do you know he bit the victim's nose?

A: Because I saw him spit it out.

 

[Bruins29]

If the part of him financially assisting his accomplices to leave town is true, why would he not leave himself?

Could the reason he looked defiant in court be, because he didn't commit the murder? If the accomplices killed Lloyd for him, it could be why he paid them to leave town. Why wouldn't he leave town? Maybe he thought with them out of the picture and himself not actually committing the crime, he could escape any trouble. Perhaps, he's wrong.
The Patriots had to have been aware of the evidence that was growing against him, why not release him last week?

I know I've been one of the one's calling him guilty, and he probably is, but there's something missing from all this and I can't put my finger on it.

It does seem preposterous that AH just killed a friend for reasons that seem like high school issues. He was talking to somebody? Where are these other two people?

I am not defending AH. This is just overwhelmingly rediculous on every level. Why throw away your life and make it so easy for the police to suspect you?

 

[KDPPatsfan85]

If the part of him financially assisting his accomplices to leave town is true, why would he not leave himself?

Could the reason he looked defiant in court be, because he didn't commit the murder? If the accomplices killed Lloyd for him, it could be why he paid them to leave town. Why wouldn't he leave town? Maybe he thought with them out of the picture and himself not actually committing the crime, he could escape any trouble. Perhaps, he's wrong.
The Patriots had to have been aware of the evidence that was growing against him, why not release him last week?

I know I've been one of the one's calling him guilty, and he probably is, but there's something missing from all this and I can't put my finger on it.

The murder weapon. I dont know if they have it, but they have damming evidence, a motive. Hernandez doesnt have an alibi and he was seen on camera carrying a .45 out of the house and around the house. The body was found a mile from his house and the gum Hernandez chewed was next to the body. He is guilty. I know innocent until proven guilty, but from what the Prosecutor revealed, i think he is!

 

[Satchboogie3]

If the part of him financially assisting his accomplices to leave town is true, why would he not leave himself?

Could the reason he looked defiant in court be, because he didn't commit the murder? If the accomplices killed Lloyd for him, it could be why he paid them to leave town. Why wouldn't he leave town? Maybe he thought with them out of the picture and himself not actually committing the crime, he could escape any trouble. Perhaps, he's wrong.
The Patriots had to have been aware of the evidence that was growing against him, why not release him last week?

I know I've been one of the one's calling him guilty, and he probably is, but there's something missing from all this and I can't put my finger on it.

Even if he didn't kill Loyd,he was clearly involved and i have little doubt the intent was to have him killed based on all the evidence of how that night/previous 2 days transpired. If he did in fact leave his house that night with a gun, then it's pretty damn transparent the intent. Any way you slice it, he's a total idiot and scumbag. I can't ask that someone not have violent thought's and ideas, but for crying out loud, don't go acting on it when you have the world to lose.

 

[Joker]

welp...I enjoyed a day on Block Island sound with a niece and two nephews....watching kids catch fish is one of the sublime joys one can experience in life IMHO....got a cell call from a friend and immediately brought the arraignment up on my phone....first thing I'd like to say is what a fantastic job the MSP did in coordinating and investigating this crime. Despite the ridiculous onslaught of media and the rampant rumor mongering, they stayed the course and meticulously gathered evidence without regards to the media pressure.

murder one?...the only luck Hernandez possibly has is this isn't a needle state. This is all on him in any case. That arraignment suggests, *SUGGESTS*, a man with no remorse and feelings only for the person he was constantly looking at and making lip purses at. I guess the whole obstruction of justice theory has been blown to smithereens.

From the presented evidence it turns out that the smashed cell cell phone DID have an intact smart chip. Why did he smash the phone?....clearly he is ignorant of the technology...and, as it now stands, he is shown to be what he has seemingly always been, a young man of shallow, if not nonexistent morals, trying to play the heavy in a CSI episode.The MSP have constructed a prima facie case out of evidence found in and around his dwelling. Ten to fifteen bags marked as evidence after one search? Hernandez might as well have painted a big red guilty sign on his forehead and walked into the station.

Out of respect for the grieving family of the murdered man, I believe all of us are very sorry for their loss. We can only offer the small solace that their son's alleged murderer will get his day in court and judged for his actions.

 

[Deus Irae]

Why do I keep reading through these posts "circumstantial evidence" when it is not circumstantial evidence. A body, recovered shell casings, GPS tracked phone, the staged gun at the crime scene, and video from his home is all direct evidence.

What is CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE? definition of CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE (Black's Law Dictionary)

 

[patsfan-1982]

this is sad a young kid that worked he's whole life to get to the top and he goes and dose something like this

 

[Dingleberry]

Daughter, multi-million dollar contract, being considered one of the best at your position, fame, set for pretty much life

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Deciding to kill someone for freaking talking to people you have problems with, spending the rest of your life in prison.

But he has street cred now.

And that, I'm sure, was always more important to the moron.