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  1. AzPatsFan

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    Here is a proposed trade.

    Disgruntled Chargers Offensive Tackle Marcus McNeil for Patriots Offensive Guard Logan Mankins. Both are unhappy with negotiations for a new contract. New team and scenery might help resolve their contract squabbles.

    Comments?
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    Marcus McNeil, would want more then mankins, wants all pro LT's get paid a lot more then all pro LG's i think they would be better off just paying mankins, if he is asking 6 or 7 million a year.
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    can this McNeil guy rush the passer? :D

    Seriously though, he probably wants a ton of money.
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    This trade would probably defeat the point of why Mankins wants out.
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    If we're trading Mankins, I'd rather send him to Kansas City (who are rebuilding their o-line) for Tamba Hali.
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    If Mankins were to be traded, I'm pretty sure that BB would want a versatile lineman rather than a stud. BB likes flexability in his linemen. Nearly all can switch at least one position.
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    As I said on another forum when someone made a similar proposal about Jared Gaither:

    I really don't see them trading one disgruntled player looking for a new contract they're not going to get from the Pats for another disgruntled player looking for a new contract they're not going to get from the Pats.
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    Also, offensive tackle is a position we are set at. With Light, Vollmer, Kaczur and LeVoir, I don't see the need to add another tackle to the group. I'm sure there's a different player we could acquire that would fill an actual need on the team.
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    As a tackle rather than a guard, McNeill would cost a few million dollars a year more. That doesn't really solve anything.
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    First, the Chargers are not going to give up the guy who protects River's blindside for a guard even one of the best guards in the NFL. I guess the Pats could throw Light into the deal since he is in the last year of his deal and McNeill would make him irrelevant, but the Pats would still have a hole at LG assuming Kazcur doesn't make the transition.

    Second, LT isn't a position of need at this time. Light is still an above average LT and Vollmer looks like a solid heir apparent in 2011. Why would the Pats trade Mankins for something they don't have a need when they clear could use an outside pass rusher even if Mankins could only attract a trade for an above average one.

    Third, the Pats are having trouble signing Mankins to a deal that would pay him top 5 guard salary, how is trading that problem to acquire a LT looking for top LT money solving anything. The reason why McNeill would even be considered for trade is because he cannot get the Chargers to pay him top dollar, what makes you think the Pats would especially if they think Vollmer is going to be an above average to great LT when Matt Light's contract is up?

    Trade makes no sense. If the Pats are going to trade Mankins for another player. Look for a team with an overabundance of outside pass rushers that might be willing to part with them. Since we are talking about San Diego who is unlikely going to do any favors for the Pats, I would say I'd rather trade with Indy for Robert Mathis who is balking about contracts. Indy needs o-line help and Mathis is on his way out the door in a year or two anyway since the Colts drafted Jerry Hughes. That won't happen either, but at least the trade makes more sense.
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    The rare trade proposal that makes no sense for either team.
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    If the Pats trade Mankins, they'll probably get a pick or picks. If they actually do get a player, they need someone who can pass rush, first and foremost. The next need on the team is a very good or better RB who is 27 or younger. The chances of trading one LG for another teams LG is unlikely unless it was a part of a package deal (a good but not great LG and a 3rd round pick for Mankins for example- not that I'm saying they should do this).

    The original proposal in this thread makes no sense as has been already pointed out.
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    I think that the patriots would take a "good" guard plus a 3rd in a heartbeat.

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    Take your pick :)

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    This trade really wouldn't make any sense whatsoever.
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    Maybe they would! Hey I'm smarter than I thought I was... but that's still not saying much, though. :D
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    Mankins derserves to bring a first round pick. He's a young former first round pick, that is now an All Pro Player.

    St. Louis desperately needs an O Lineman or two.

    Problem solved. :)
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    I doubt they would trade their 1st rounder, because they are far from becoming an 8-8 team. So it would be a very high draft pick for him, which I can't see them trading a Top 10. most likely Top 5 pick for Mankins.
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    Well how about this then. Mankins for DeAngelo Williams. Carolina really needs a guard. Williams' contract is up at the end of the season. I don't know if they'll want to keep 2 high priced RBs. The Pats get a great 27 year old starting RB. Plus, the marketing is easy. New England's sub chain D'Angelos quickly hires DeAngelo to promote their food. Done and done. :D
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    If the Pats could reach a reasonable contract arrangement with McNeal, I'd jump on this in a nano second. Quality LTs are a gift in this league and McNeal is a good one. I'd then move Light to LG, Volmer to RT and have Kaszur backing up all 4 OL positions. A Volmer/McNeil Tackle duo could be a elite pairing for the next 8-10 years, and I believe that Light at LG would be only a marginal downgrade to start with, and by the end of the season, he'd be playing at an all pro level.

    I think the Pats have a very rare opportunity to trade for equal value in a player as opposed to draft picks. If trading an elite OG for an elite LT isn't your cup of tea, there are over 200 RFAs. all of whom are pissed at their situations, to choose from.

    Mankins is worth a first round pick, but it might be very difficult to get one because everyone is aware of the "disconnect" between Logan and the Pats. Also it would be hard for any team to be willing to give up a first rounder for an interior OLman.

    Personally I'm hoping he'll be back, but unfortunately the Branch deal set the precedent for a player being able to shoot his way out of town. That being the case, this is best environment in NFL history to make a player for player trade.
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    1.) The Patriots won't pay Mankins to be a starting guard. Why on Earth would anyone expect them to pay McNeil to be a backup tackle?

    2.) McNeil isn't all that good.

    3.) Neither player is under contract, both would be going to a team that didn't have a need at their position, and both would be dealing with hardasses in the front office. Why would either of them agree to the trade?
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    I was thinking of....

    Mankins for Merriman.

    Doesn't solve the McNeil issue for the Chargers, but with McNeil's back issues, I don't want him on the Patriots.
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    That isn't true. The Pats are willing to pay Mankins very well to be a starter. They are just willing to pay him top 5 guard money and Mankins was to be paid at least top 4 probably top 1-3.
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    No way would I want the Pats to give up Mankins for Merriman. Injury concerns, wanting huge salary, and hasn't been nearly as productive the last few years (even before his injury).
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    You can spin it any way you like. It doesn't change the bottom line.
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    How am I spinning it? The Pats never told Mankins that they were not going to offer him a contract. They offered him a deal and he didn't like the deal. Never said the Pats offered him a contract what he was worth or not. They obviously offered him starting guard money if it was equal to at least the fifth highest paid guard money.

    You claimed that the Pats aren't willing to pay Mankins to be a starting guard. You were wrong. Most of the starting guards in the league would jump at the offer the Pats offered him. Whether the top guards in the league would is another story.

    I never said gave comments on whether top 5 money was more than enough for Mankins nor did I say Mankins was wrong for asking for more. In fact, in other threads, I said I could see why Mankins would be upset with the Pats' offer, but I felt his actions on handling it was wrong. All I said the Pats offered to pay him very well to be a starting guard which isn't disputable. The question is eventhough it is very good money for a starting guard is it very good money for an ELITE starting guard.
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    Yeah, I would do this if we can get him for 3 years. The last two seasons, he's averaged about 1,300+ yards rushing, 5.2+ YPC, and 12+ rushing TD's a season. He's 27 and while maybe not a top 5 RB in the league is a considerable improvement over who we have now.

    Keep LoMo for his last year, Faulk for 3rd downs, and maybe one of the younger backs, like BJGE. Next year we draft Mark Ingram with the Raider pick when LoMo goes. Or use the Raider pick for an elite pass rusher and get the 2nd or 3rd best back in the draft with NE's own #1 to team up with Williams over the next 3 years, setting us up for RB for the next 6 years or maybe more.


    Imagine Brady w/Moss, Welker, Hernandez or Gronk at TE AND D. Williams at RB. Yikes! :rocker:
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    I like the sound of that :)

    I actually like Williams as a player, and think he is a little underrated at times :) Took a while to play like he does, but when he did :)
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    Kind of ridiculous to claim it's not spin on your part. We both know that the team would gladly pay the league minimum for Mankins to be a starter, so clearly the point wasn't supposed to be absolute.

    We also both know that they weren't willing to grant him a contract that was acceptable to him, or even to come close enough for the two sides to continue discussions.

    And we also both know which of the above I was referring to.
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    If ridiculous absolutely dead on, yes it is ridiculous. Because there is clearly no spinning going on. I have stated in the past that I could see why Mankins would not be happy with the Pats offer if it is true so why would I spin. It is clear the Pats offered Mankins good money in a contract. I can see why Mankins thinks he deserves more and he may be right, but I don't feel the Pats offered him a bad offer and he did get offered great starter money.

    BTW, of course the Pats would be happy to pay Mankins the league minimum. Every team would love to pay all their players the league minimum, but the thing is the Pats' offer was nowhere close to the league minimum and just you deflecting the argument.

    As for whether the Pats were willing to grant a contract acceptable to Mankins, it is a two way street. We have no idea what the Pats' ceiling was and what Mankins' floor was. Maybe Mankins expected additional money over being the highest paid guard for waiting a year to negotiate. Maybe the Pats would have come up to Mankins position. You were the same person who believed the Pats would never pay Wilfork and he would be gone from the Pats by the 2011 season.

    As for why Mankins didn't continue negotiatons may not have anything to do with whether the Pats first offer was a good offer based on the market value and irrelevant to this discussion. For all we know, Mankins could believe that Evans' contract should have been the starting point.

    I have stated my point several times which surprisingly you decided to twist into something else. We're done here. Nothing left to discuss because I am not getting into your argument since it has nothing to do with the original point which is you were wrong when you said the Pats weren't willing to give Mankins starting guard money. Whether they were willing to give elite starting guard money is a different argument which you didn't make nor did I respond to.
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