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A Defensive End at 23 or 34 or earlier

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  1. mgteich

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    Seymour is in his contract year.
    Green is in his contract year.
    For other than top 10 studs, it usually takes a season to develop a 3-4 DE or LB.
    There aren't a lot of 3-4 ends who project to be pro 3-4 ends (rather than OLB's)
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    I think that we will consider Jackson, Hood and Gilbert. I think that none will be available after 34. We may need to move up or use our 23, depending on who we really want.

    While I can certainly agree with drafting a RT if Britton is there, DE is who I expect us to draft at 23 (or 34 at the latest).
     
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    If you change DE to DL and include BJ Raji, I'm all for it. Maybe his drug test will push him down to within reach.

    I have no problem with a DE before 23 if there were a DE worth taking before 23. There's not.
     
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    1) Do you really have Raji moving to DE? In any case, he would be a backup for the patriots. I could include him. He won't be available at 23.

    2) We will see if Jackson and Hood are available at 23. I think that the issue is Belichick's evaluation of the three (including Gilbert). Perhaps he agrees with your evaluation, perhaps with mine. In any case, if all three are acceptable, then I expect to see us drafting a DE at 23.

     
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    If we do take a DL that high then LeKevin Smith will be cut. I was all for taking a DL that high until they resigned Wright.

    My guess is that no DL will be taken day 1 as there is just no room on the roster.
     
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    Undoubtledly

    So, IMO, they won't end up drafting one. None are really worth 23 let alone trading up. As worthwile "developmetal" talent is available later in the draft. It would be a collosal waste of resources, in my opinion.

    I would rather see Pat White drafted at 23 then any of the four you mentioned.
     
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    I agree with this and might take it a little further. I think they will feel out the Seymour and Wilfork situation and might make a move in next years draft for a guy like Carlos Dunlap (who I think would be perfect for our 3-4) or big DT's like Ndamukong Suh or Cody. I think our pressing need right now for 2009 is OLB and S then for 2010 I think OL and DL would be the pressing need. We already have a pretty good team with the draft providing great depth and competition and if we are lucky a potential starter. I personally like Gilbert if he slipped to 47 or Brace if he was around at 58. I think Ziggy Hood would be good but at DE BB like more height like Dunlap would bring next year:D:D:D
     
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    How did Wilfork fall to us at 24 (I believe it was 24)? I know he fell, but to fall that much, was there any legitimate reason?

    If the pats like Raji, and he's there around 12, I could see them trading up to get him.
     
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    It was pick 21.
     
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    Green had a pretty miserable year last season. I think he needs a big year to earn another contract.

    I still think BB has later round options at DE in this draft, but the 2010 draft has a couple of monster DL guys that could be #1 picks. Would they last until #32? Not sure about that.
     
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    I totally agree on Green.

    What about looking at the DT side of things and if we draft a guy like Terrance Taylor, Michigan who was once though of as a first round guy but to say the least he can be had in the 5th round kinda the poor mans Raja??
     
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    I'd say the exact opposite - my guess is a DL will be taken on the first day. Too many high round picks to pass on all the beef that is pretty much gone by day two. Smith is far from enough of a player to prevent the Pats from bringing in more youth and competition to a front three that has become a bit lackluster.
     
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    I can't see passing on a top DE (and giving him a year to develop) just because a monster defensive end MIGHT drop to us in next year's draft so that Belichick can start a rookie.

     
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    Iam hoping they land a good DE at #23 and sign jason taylor.
     
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    Love the way you think Ochmed. I'm on board for DL early this year, it makes too much sense to give a prospect some time to learn the system, a very important position on a BB defense. I don't see Seymour being re-signed next year and we can't rely on studs falling in the draft next year to us, nor backups stepping in that have currently not shown the ability.

    I think Wright is OK at end, but just as a rotational guy. Smith looked OK too.

    In BB I trust.
     
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    Jackson will probably be long gone by 23. Hood doesn't seem to be a fit for 3-4.

    Gilbert is a very interesting case though. On the one hand, 23 might be a little high for him. On the other hand, if we don't grab him at 23, it's possible he'll end up with one of our AFC rivals - Steelers, Colts, Dolphins. So I'd have to consider it very seriously. Gilbert should be an upgrade over Jarvis right away on 3rd downs and will be good insurance for Seymour in 2010.

    If we go this route, I'd have to think Jarvis is fighting for his life in TC.
     
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    I seriously doubt Seymour is resigned after this season.

    I think Gilbert would be the way to go in the first round, even if they trade down a few spots before taking him. Or even better...if they think he'll make it to #34 its a no brainer. This would free up a lot of cap space by allowing them to cut Jarvis Green, and give them a very capable replacement for Seymour in 2010.

    Gilbert and Barwin (or vice versa) with the first 2 picks would be a great start to this draft.....
     
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    NFL DRAFT BIBLE - Q&A: Jarron Gilbert, DT, San Jose St.
     
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    I am positive that the Pats will draft a DL in the first 3 picks they hold/trade up/down for. In addition to the guys that have been discussed, what about Brace?

    The first 3 picks I believe will be DL, OLB, OT

    followed by: OG, S, CB (our roster is less stable here then most think)

    then: WR, RB
     
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    I wouldn't be shocked if we try to trade 47 for a 1st rounder next year. If the team does poorly a la SF, we could end up with a high pick. Or, more ammunition to trade up if said team has a decent season.
     
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    Gilbert at 34 at the earliest but that means you have to take Barwin at 23. Then Safety or OL 47/58 range. If we get a safety later, Chip Vaughn might be a good choice. Great size/speed combo. Assuming of course that Moore, Chung, Delmas are gone by then.
     
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