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    If he suffers a serious injury in the OTAs, he can not be cut.
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    OTOH, does his contract have language reducing his salary if that happens?
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    Put a bounty on him. Send Pat Chung for the hit.
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    I doubt he was going to show up before the mandatory OTA's require it anyway, and they can always keep him out of the mix. I think Bill will play hardball in this case, because it's not about business, it's about football and challenging coaching and the system, and I don't think AD wants to sit out a season on IR even at full salary heading into a potential lockout season which could potentially make 2009 the last time he played the game. Perillo and Reiss on All Access were both of the opinion that it's somehow become personal with these two, not that AD doesn't not want to play but he simply doesn't want to play for Bill. And not that Bill doesn't want him gone, just that he's not going to allow him to go where he'd prefer to. Even if it means holding onto him and either pressuring him internally (via teamate pressure) to man up and do his job as he's told or remain in the dog house at $5M.

    When is the first mandatory OTA...May? He may have a market outside of the swamp post draft. Perillo even opined that he could see him getting packaged on draft day (you want to trade for #__, you gotta take AD to make it work for me...). Which may have even been the way Vrabel landed in KC since they weren't going to pay him but they didn't want him landing with a division rival largely because of his knowledge of the scheme and personnel.
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    The fact that Thomas' contract could have played even a small part in Vrabel getting traded makes me want to vomit. :mad:
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    I have to believe AD will be gone before OTAs start.
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    On the other hand you could say the Pats have $4.9 mil reasons to cut him.
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    Fortunately, it's not a fact, nor did MoLewisRocks say that. He simply made an analogy.
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    Did this guy ever dominate even 4.9 games since he's been with us? I'll give him a million just for the laughs of destroying Washington and Favre on the same play, but other than that I can't think of too many good performances out of this guy.
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    as long as thomas is under contract, its in his best interest to do everything that is asked for him......especially that the likely hood of him getting cut prior to the start of the regular season is high......that is if he want to maximize what he can get form his potential next employer
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    His contract is not a split salary contract.
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    1) There are no OTA's until a couple of weeks after the draft.

    2) There should be a very public kumbayah moment or two or expect Thomas to be traded (or even cut) by then.

    3) If he is still on the team for OTA's, I don't expect him to participate. The team could even keep him off the feild.
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    The bottom line to me is that something extremely positive needs to happen for Thomas to be practicing in the OTA's with both parties expecting him to be paid $4.9M. And even if there is an injury clause, how does it help the patriots to lose even $2.45M for no production?
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    I screwed up. I said OTAs. I should have also included offseason workout sessions.
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    Given how the Titans were unable to prevent McNair from doing so, what makes you believe that the Patriots would be able to keep AD from the field??
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    Re: $4.9 million reasons for AD to take part in OTA/offseason workout sessions

    Except to Mr. Krafts wallet, does it matter? If there was still a cap in place the Patriots would be about $20 million below it. If AD spending the year away from the team on IR is a worst case scenario, I can live with it.
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    Re: $4.9 million reasons for AD to take part in OTA (Edited:/offseason workout sessio

    The Jets would love that huh? :)

    They'll probably keep him on the roster for as long as they can, then trade him to the Raiders in August for a 2020 7th round pick.
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    Re: $4.9 million reasons for AD to take part in OTA (Edited:/offseason workout sessio

    If the Pats try to keep him away, he'll probably go all locker-room-lawyer and insist on participating.

    Based on precedent, when's the first time he can insist on participating?
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    Re: $4.9 million reasons for AD to take part in OTA (Edited:/offseason workout sessio

    But wouldn't this also be a little chancy, since any team he was traded to could then turn around and trade him to the Jets as was done with Kevin O'Connell? Isn't keeping him the only way that the Patriots can be sure that Thomas doesn't get to Rex?
    I asked in another post but missed the answer, can football teams pay part of a player's salary in order to trade him--as the Red Sox seem to do on a regular basis with their unwanted shortstops? Would that be possible with Thomas?
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    Re: $4.9 million reasons for AD to take part in OTA (Edited:/offseason workout sessio

    why is everyone so scard of him going to the jets. he is a 32 year old LB that is just not geting it done for the pats if he turns back into a 10 sack guy for the jets good for him. but not all 10 sacks will came vs brady, i say cut him if they have a better opt at OLB after the draft.
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    Re: $4.9 million reasons for AD to take part in OTA (Edited:/offseason workout sessio

    Agreed. The term "not going to pay him" I took to mean the $1 million bonus that Vrabel had coming to him as a member of the Patriots that was transferred to KC with the trade and wasn't referring to AD at all.
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    Re: $4.9 million reasons for AD to take part in OTA (Edited:/offseason workout sessio

    From the link above...Reiss..."Puzzling move by the Cleveland Browns to reportedly pay quarterback Jake Delhomme $7 million this season. While Delhomme could have landed as a backup in New Orleans, the Browns were basically bidding against themselves because they were the only team that could offer the chance to compete for a starting job."

    Brady Quinn to Denver helps explain this
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    Re: $4.9 million reasons for AD to take part in OTA (Edited:/offseason workout sessio

    How many veteran players show up for the off season workout program? Do we know if AD was ever one of them? I suppose he could show up and play chicken in an uncapped season, but from what I hear he never exerted himself in the weight room even even in his first season here... If he really injures himself in training sessions I guess we will have to IR him. The team may well have insurance to cover that cost which would only then pose a problem if they had to count him against a cap...

    If he wants out he won't show up here until mandatory OTA's.
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    Re: $4.9 million reasons for AD to take part in OTA (Edited:/offseason workout sessio

    How about he shows up, feigns injury and then can't be cut because he's injured. Is that possible?

    If I'm the pats, I don't let him on the field. Cut him. It's like in the movie "Outlaw Josey Wales"...."shoot him now Jed, shoot him now!"...they didn't and ended up getting shot by Josey and the kid.
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    Re: $4.9 million reasons for AD to take part in OTA (Edited:/offseason workout sessio

    Last year the Patriots had 52 offseason workout sessions.
    AD attended 44
    Brady - 37
    Bodden - 48
    Baker - 45
    Mayo - 52
    Woods -52
    Koppen - 52

    I am not going to list every veteran but it could be figured out by looking at
    USATODAY.com
    and
    BostonHerald.com - Blogs: Rap Sheet Blog Archive Which Patriots earned how much in performance-based pay?


    Not only does AD gets paid for $130 per offseason workout session he gets another $100,000 for attending a set minimum. He earned the $100,000 last year by attending the minimum so we know that 44 is at least the minimum/
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    This whole being scared of the Jets thing is annoying already. They made some moves. I think we all see ADT on the Jets next year, who cares. The I95 rivalry is overblown. I'm more concerned about the Pats and the other 14 games they have to play before getting to the playoffs.

    My opinion is just cut the bastard already and wash our hands of it and move on.
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    It's an unprovable point, but remember that Afailius' cap hit last year would have ballooned by $7M if they cut him, so they had to make room elsewhere. So it's not impossible.
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    Re: $4.9 million reasons for AD to take part in OTA (Edited:/offseason workout sessio

    See the Packers' trade of Favre to the JEST—if they allowed Favre to end up on another AFC North team in 2008, the JEST would have owed THREE first-round draft picks.

    The Patriots could just as easily put a clause like that in a trade for Thomas (e.g., a 2011 6th that becomes a 1st if Afailus ends up on an AFC East team).
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    Agree completely. AD isn't going to improve the Jets anyway. If he ever shows up on the field, we should just run right at him.
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