We need to do something here.....NOW!!

Fahrenhype said:

Uh no, that's not what I said. I was replying to a post that suggested firing Belichick would remove the team from the suspicion of cheating. That suspicion is going to remain with or without Belichick for the forseeable future.

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Fahrenhype,
I quoted you directly. You said the Patriots were "the most hated team in football." Read your own post. And no, hoodie shouldnt be fired. That wont happen IMO.

I have to say, I really feel that I'm not a homer when it comes to sports. You have the teams you root for, but ideally you don't have blinders on when it comes to stuff that they do. Having said that, I am just dumbfounded at how blown out of proportion this is. It's unbelievable. The only thing they did wrong, to me, was get caught. OK, I guess if there's a rule about cameras, don't use. But please--the rule is so lame. Put it this way--Red woulda done the same thing, right? Of course. I'm only pissed at the nonsense, and the fact that we won't get the enjoyment from this week that we should--basking in the Jets win, analyzing the Chargers game. That's it. This BS will pass, but damn is it annoying now.

PonyExpress said:

No ruling has been issued by the Commissioner.

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No punishment has been issued, yet. The fact is that the Pats got caught breaking a league-mandated rule. This Pats fanboard is the only fantasyland out there where people think Belicheck didn't knowingly break a league rule.

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What you have is just an opinion. Opinions are like @$$holes- everybody's got one.

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Indeed.

Why can't you people just admit that it was your "genius" who brought this on himself, the team, the organization, and it's fans?

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fg,
I want to point out that Mangini didn't just stab BB in the back; he unjustifiably tarnished the legacy of many innocent hardworking people, the same people who nurtured, trained and supported him so that he could become a millionaire. He smeared Charlie Weis in the process, delegitimized the resume of Romeo Crennel, stained the glory of Dante Scarnecchia, falsely brought Tom Brady's greatness into question like no other HOF Qb before him, damaged the brand of R. Kraft his long term employer, and hurt countless fans who rooted for him for years. IMO it began as a simple prank, a gamesmanship on his part to embarrass and distract BB; but he was playing with fire, holding the tiger by its tail, and the story spun out of control and blew up in his face. Now I can almost guarantee he regrets the whole thing, and sees what a fool he has been. But he can't take it back, what's done is done, and he will be the real loser in this fiasco when the storm passes.

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Mangini did nothing wrong, nothing. the blame lies elsewhere.

Do you blame the Cop for giving you the parking ticket, the meter, or yourself?

Here's what I think we need to do:

Make sure that BB knows that he is still revered, still loved and still wanted here in New England.

When folks try to put BB down that AREN'T NE fans... who cares? I say "forget" them... they're just trying to get under our collective skin or "wish away" their team's own shortcomings against us and BB.

When folks try to put BB down that ARE fans... in a public place... give it to 'em loud and proud... I'll be at the game on Sunday night... Chargers fans that want to yell insults at Coach B won't bother me... but "Pats fans" that boo, yell, etc. need to be shouted down... as far as I'm concerned BB should get a standing ovation when he comes on the field.

The ONLY thing that we can do as fans... is let the man know that WE appreciate him... and are still with him irregardless of what everyone else says... oh... AND stretch out a little bit on the bandwagon as FAKE FANS continue to jump off the bandwagon... most of us that were there for the REAL bad times know this is nothing... and that every other team in the NFL would STILL give up almost anything to get BB in as their head coach.

Win on Sunday. I really think it's that simple. At least that will be the first nail in the coffin of this story. The punishment will come down and the Pats will accept it. If everyone else in the league hates us who really cares? I don't mind being the evil overlords of the NFL. This is the story of the week but if we win, beating arguably the best team in the NFL that will put a nice STFU on everyone who says that anything the Pats have accomplished is due to taping the signals. This is nothing more than something for other fans to give us crap about. Embrace it and give them nowhere to go with it. We win on Sunday and all anyone will be talking about is how tape or no tape the Pats are the best team in the NFL.

PonyExpress said:

fg,
I want to point out that Mangini didn't just stab BB in the back; he unjustifiably tarnished the legacy of many innocent hardworking people, the same people who nurtured, trained and supported him so that he could become a millionaire. He smeared Charlie Weis in the process, delegitimized the resume of Romeo Crennel, stained the glory of Dante Scarnecchia, falsely brought Tom Brady's greatness into question like no other HOF Qb before him, damaged the brand of R. Kraft his long term employer, and hurt countless fans who rooted for him for years. IMO it began as a simple prank, a gamesmanship on his part to embarrass and distract BB; but he was playing with fire, holding the tiger by its tail, and the story spun out of control and blew up in his face. Now I can almost guarantee he regrets the whole thing, and sees what a fool he has been. But he can't take it back, what's done is done, and he will be the real loser in this fiasco when the storm passes.

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LOL

Wow. Your blaming the bank robbery on the person that dialed 911.


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Yeah, What Gunnails said.

Johnny Coli said:

LOL

Wow. Your blaming the bank robbery on the person that dialed 911.

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There was no robbery. There was a deposit. The guy who dialed 911 was a prankster, jack@$$.

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Mangini did nothing wrong, nothing. the blame lies elsewhere.

Do you blame the Cop for giving you the parking ticket, the meter, or yourself?

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Keep dreaming. Time will prove my interpretation correct, and you'll be crying in your beer.

This attitude will just get us more hate.

What you seem to be saying is that we bend the rules whenever we think it's right. If we're caught, we'll pay whatever price, but we'll continue living on the edge of the rules. Many will believe that this bending of the rules has been important to our winning.

Many believe that it is the winning that makes people hate us. I think thatit much more than that. San Diego and Indy win also. Belichick's attitude toward the rules, the press, the Commissioner and everyone else fuels this hate much more than getting beaten does. Many, many respect the team and hate Belichick. For example, I would note that Peyton Manning is one of the biggest supporters and respecters of our defensive players. It is NOT the defensive players who are hated.

We all keep mentioning the Raiders of old. There are other models. Dallas was America's team. The country had enormous respect for SF. IMHO, a winning organization CHOOSES by its public actions and attitudes whether the country should hate us or love us. The colts and the bears want the country's love and respect. We choose hate instead. It is Belichick's choice. Of course, none fo this has much to do with football.

The media, of course, plays along. Having a team to hate boosts ratings. Having a coach that likes to do any as he wishes is fun to attack.

The facts will come out. All good teams have a defensive book including tapes, still pictures and the results of interviews with former players. We'll lose a draft choice or two and move on. I'm sure Belichick thinks that living on the edge is worth whatever penalties come along when he's caught. IMHO, the proof, all that counts for Belichick is wins and trophies. Sportsmanship is a totally foreign concept to him. I am not speaking about any of his off the field activity. He will tell you how irrelevant that is to this discussion.

I think it laughable that so many think tha Belichick is one of us, and must give us explanations for his conduct. IMHO, he doesn't care what we think. For him, pleasing the press and the fans (and the players for that matter) just isn't important or part of his job.

Hoodie said:

I don't believe the Patriots "cheated". I believe they violated the rules. It's different. That doesn't mean they don't deserve some punishment. In a few weeks or months, when the fire has died down, we'll get some level-headed analysis and this will be the conclusion other will draw too.

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Johnny Coli said:

No punishment has been issued, yet. The fact is that the Pats got caught breaking a league-mandated rule. This Pats fanboard is the only fantasyland out there where people think Belicheck didn't knowingly break a league rule.


Indeed.

Why can't you people just admit that it was your "genius" who brought this on himself, the team, the organization, and it's fans?

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What fact? Only the commissioner can issue a ruling and he hasn't done so. You must believe everything they tell you on the street. Typical

mgteich said:

This attitude will just get us more hate.

What you seem to be saying is that we bend the rules whenever we think it's right. If we're caught, we'll pay whatever price, but we'll continue living on the edge of the rules. Many will believe that this bending of the rules has been important to our winning.

Many believe that it is the winning that makes people hate us. I think thatit much more than that. San Diego and Indy win also. Belichick's attitude toward the rules, the press, the Commissioner and everyone else fuels this hate much more than getting beaten does. Many, many respect the team and hate Belichick. For example, I would note that Peyton Manning is one of the biggest supporters and respecters of our defensive players. It is NOT the defensive players who are hated.

We all keep mentioning the Raiders of old. There are other models. Dallas was America's team. The country had enormous respect for SF. IMHO, a winning organization CHOOSES by its public actions and attitudes whether the country should hate us or love us. The colts and the bears want the country's love and respect. We choose hate instead. It is Belichick's choice. Of course, none fo this has much to do with football.

The media, of course, plays along. Having a team to hate boosts ratings. Having a coach that likes to do any as he wishes is fun to attack.

The facts will come out. All good teams have a defensive book including tapes, still pictures and the results of interviews with former players. We'll lose a draft choice or two and move on. I'm sure Belichick thinks that living on the edge is worth whatever penalties come along when he's caught. IMHO, the proof, all that counts for Belichick is wins and trophies. Sportsmanship is a totally foreign concept to him. I am not speaking about any of his off the field activity. He will tell you how irrelevant that is to this discussion.

I think it laughable that so many think tha Belichick is one of us, and must give us explanations for his conduct. IMHO, he doesn't care what we think. For him, pleasing the press and the fans (and the players for that matter) just isn't important or part of his job.

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Your vendetta with BB is curious.

PonyExpress said:

What fact? Only the commissioner can issue a ruling and he hasn't done so. You must believe everything they tell you on the street. Typical

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Did, or did not the Pats violate the league rule about videotaping an opponents sideline?

I already pretty much know where your well-reasoned response will go with your answer, but I'd like to see it typed out for comedy's sake.

jetophile said:

I think the more prevailing opinion is cheating helped you along. And therefore the glory is ill-gotten and tarnished. No-one questions the Coaching smarts and the talent level involved - but now people are left wondering this: It also takes smarts and talent to out-connive your opponent, sure. But to what level and what extent are we talking here? That thought isn't getting past anyone. Since any reasonable person with half a brain knows Belichick is no dummy by any means, it also stands to reason he used his smarts in shady ways. If he starts playing "dumb" now, it's going to hurt him even more. Nobody is going to buy it - except the ones in denial.

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No one has to "buy" anything. A ruling will be issued by the commissioner. Until then, your "conclusions" are baseless.

Johnny Coli said:

Did, or did not the Pats violate the league rule about videotaping an opponents sideline?

I already pretty much know where your well-reasoned response will go with your answer, but I'd like to see it typed out for comedy's sake.

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No idea. The commissioner hasn't issued a ruling. BB said he discussed his "interpretation" of league rules with the Commissioner. That's all we know. Everything else is media and mob driven.

"Yawn".... Estrella=Henderson.
I can't wait for Sundays game.

PonyExpress said:

There was no robbery. There was a deposit. The guy who dialed 911 was a prankster, jack@$$.

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Wow! So BB contributed somehow, is that it? Make an arguement that it's splitting hairs regarding the rules. Make an arguement that BB shouldn't be punished. But to blame the Jets and Mangini??? You must be kidding me!
IT'S NOT MANGINI'S FAULT THAT YOUR TEAM VIOLATED A RULE!

MiChargers said:

Wow! So BB contributed somehow, is that it? Make an arguement that it's splitting hairs regarding the rules. Make an arguement that BB shouldn't be punished. But to blame the Jets and Mangini??? You must be kidding me!
IT'S NOT MANGINI'S FAULT THAT YOUR TEAM VIOLATED A RULE!

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No ruling has been issued by the Commissioner. Your claims are pure speculation, based on rumors spread by rival organizations with an axe to grind, and media luminaries like the NYPost. What we do know for a FACT is that the Jets leaked unsubstantiated rumors about League Office business to the press, which set off a firestorm of reckless speculation, tarnishing many honest people. The fact you fail to see this means you should take a deep breath, step back and look circumspectly at what is actually going on here. Somehow, I doubt you will do so.

fgssand said:

Something needs to be done here - this is so far out of control it is insane.


I talk to people from all over the country as part of my work - the prevailing opinion is we cheated, that is why we are so good, that is why we won all those Superbowls. That is what they think and believe.

What can be done to stop this insanity - I am really pissed at the media & the NFL coaches, players & front office for letting this get so far out of hand. Where is the New England Patriot organization right now - are they unable to do anything?

What can we do??

The truth is, yes, we were caught using a video camera, fine, rule violation - we were not paying off officials, paying off other teams players, paying off the clock operator, point shaving or any such other REAL VIOLATIONS. We did not do anything that any other teams does.

SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE - we need to send a message of outrage and support and it needs to be heard.

Any Ideas??

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dont pay attention to such non sense it will all die down and what will they say in glendale???

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No ruling has been issued by the Commissioner. Your claims are pure speculation, based on rumors spread by rival organizations with an axe to grind, and media luminaries like the NYPost. What we do know for a FACT is that the Jets leaked unsubstantiated rumors about League Office business to the press, which set off a firestorm of reckless speculation, tarnishing many honest people. The fact you fail to see this means you should take a deep breath, step back and look circumspectly at what is actually going on here. Somehow, I doubt you will do so.

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You're right. Im not passing judgement until it's all cleared out. However, everyone on this forum is speaking on what we know now, which arguably isnt much. But, it does appear it will go the way it appears to be going. So, instead of blaming others, why not just defend your team/coach until it's all ironed out. Blaming Mangini is not the way to go IMO.