Hold at 60 & 61 or trade a pick?

ctpatsfan77 said:

As an interesting aside, given that the Pats currently have no 4s or 5s, I could see them be interested in a trade that nets them one. As two possibilities:

* Trading their 2 and 3 for a higher 2 and a 4 or a 5
* Trading their 2 or 3 for a 2 or 3 next year and a 4 or 5 this year

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Bingo. Free agency is not over and we have could still add a couple spare parts to fill in some holes.

61 for 100 and 2017 2nd? I wouldn't be a bit surprised. Given the in season trades they have been prone to make the last few seasons, having extra picks is a necessity and let's you figure out what your actual needs are when the games matter.

We could still find a cheap rb or two, and lb, leaving tackle and wr as your only must picks.

They could use the chandler pick as the residual payday piece like they used to. If I remember correctly, that's how we actually got the pick to draft chandler to begin with.

I would not be surprised if they tried to move one of the picks up....

I would look at it this way......they will likely play the draft out as if they had their 1st rounder, and target someone with the hypothetical pick......if that person happens to fall into the 2nd round, you could at some point see them move up to grab him......

there has to be people in the league that will be fuming if the pats front office is capable of nearly completely mitigating the effect of the punishment they handed down

the pats wind up with a strong draft and brady's punishment is ultimately nullified......life will go on, and the NFL front office will have to answer to making themselves and a bunch of owners like complete idiots

ctpatsfan77 said:

As an interesting aside, given that the Pats currently have no 4s or 5s, I could see them be interested in a trade that nets them one. As two possibilities:

* Trading their 2 and 3 for a higher 2 and a 4 or a 5
* Trading their 2 or 3 for a 2 or 3 next year and a 4 or 5 this year

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It depends on who's dropping in the 2nd but I'd rather trade our third back for a 4th and 5th than trade up in the 2nd.

I don't see a reason for the Patriots to trade up in this draft. No one will be there at the bottom of the first or top of the 2nd that is worth using that much capital on and is that much better then other players on the board. Also I doubt there is a fit that will fit so much better at 45-46 that won't be there are 60.

There are very few spots in this draft that i would trade up in. Maybe I could see the Pats moving up in the 3rd but they don't really have great capital to do that.

Trade a 2nd and a 3rd to move up for a player they covet. Then trade the other 2nd for a mid 3rd and a 4th. Trade 2 6th rounders and Aaron Dobson for a 5th.

That gives you something like: 2,3,3,4,5,6,6,7

Took a closer look at the draft pick value chart (don't really know if these are really used) but here is an example scenario:

Trade #60 (300 pt value) to Tampa Bay for #74 and #108 (298 pt value)
Trade #61 and #91 (428 pt value) to New Orleans for #47 (430 pt value)

Not sure if this one would fly but hey why not try:
Trade #196 and #204 (22.8 pt value) and Aaron Dobson to Houston for #159 (27.4 pt value)

Maybe Coach O'Brien saw something in Dobson

We could be sitting with #47, 74, 96, 108, 159, 208, 214, 221, 243, 250

My first 5 picks from my Top 200
Biggest Needs (No Order): RB, OT, DT, LB, CB
#47: Chris Jones (DT)
#74: Le'Raven Clark (OT)
#96: Deion Jones (LB)
#108: Jonathan Williams (RB)
#159: Rashard Robinson (CB)

C. Jones, Clark, and Williams? I can't complain!

hornetfb85 said:

Took a closer look at the draft pick value chart (don't really know if these are really used) but here is an example scenario:

Trade #60 (300 pt value) to Tampa Bay for #74 and #108 (298 pt value)
Trade #61 and #91 (428 pt value) to New Orleans for #47 (430 pt value)

Not sure if this one would fly but hey why not try:
Trade #196 and #204 (22.8 pt value) and Aaron Dobson to Houston for #159 (27.4 pt value)

Maybe Coach O'Brien saw something in Dobson

We could be sitting with #47, 74, 96, 108, 159, 208, 214, 221, 243, 250

My first 5 picks from my Top 200
Biggest Needs (No Order): RB, OT, DT, LB, CB
#47: Chris Jones (DT)
#74: Le'Raven Clark (OT)
#96: Deion Jones (LB)
#108: Jonathan Williams (RB)
#159: Rashard Robinson (CB)

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I like the first four picks. Although at #47 I think Clark from Ucla is the better dt.

I doubt bb has Robinson on his draft board with the burgulary (which got cleared) and also Robinson not playing last year.

Ochmed Jones said:

I like the first four picks. Although at #47 I think Clark from Ucla is the better dt.

I doubt bb has Robinson on his draft board with the burgulary (which got cleared) and also Robinson not playing last year.

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Big fan of Clark and things could change if Derrick Henry would be there at 47.

Agree on Robinson...was looking for a CB on my board and he was really the only one around.

BobDigital said:

I don't see a reason for the Patriots to trade up in this draft. No one will be there at the bottom of the first or top of the 2nd that is worth using that much capital on and is that much better then other players on the board. Also I doubt there is a fit that will fit so much better at 45-46 that won't be there are 60.

There are very few spots in this draft that i would trade up in. Maybe I could see the Pats moving up in the 3rd but they don't really have great capital to do that.

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Two players I think they might trade up for if they fall into the mid 2nd.

1. Austin Johnson, Penn State - We're probably going to need a Branch replacement past this year and Johnson probably best fits that role. And with Branch gone after this year, we don't really have a NT type.

2. Michael Thomas, Ohio St. - That outside receiver is the one hole we have in our receiver corps

Use one of 60/61 in a small trade-down for a 4th-rounder, then one of 91/96 in a small trade-down
for a 5th-rounder.

captain stone said:

Use one of 60/61 in a small trade-down for a 4th-rounder, then one of 91/96 in a small trade-down
for a 5th-rounder.

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I think that we all presume that we have a 4th and a 5th.

We have neither a 4th nor a 5th as of now, but 2 small trade-downs are an easy way to acquire them.

captain stone said:

We have neither a 4th nor a 5th as of now, but 2 small trade-downs are an easy way to acquire them.

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Absolutely. I think it could be possible to trade down from 61 and still get an OT and from 91 and still get a RB or CB without too much drop off in value.

manxman2601 said:

Absolutely. I think it could be possible to trade down from 61 and still get an OT and from 91 and still get a RB or CB without too much drop off in value.

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Maybe we package 60 and 61 to move up for spriggs, then trade our third rounder for a fourth and fifth rounder.

Use the third round comp for wr Higgins.

Ochmed Jones said:

Maybe we package 60 and 61 to move up for spriggs, then trade our third rounder for a fourth and fifth rounder.

Use the third round comp for wr Higgins.

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I'd be a little disappointed to come out of this draft with only two top 100 picks. With the right deal, a trade down from 61 could net us a 4th (and maybe a 5th?) and still keep 4 top 100 picks. I think you are higher on Spriggs than me. Wouldn't object to Higgins in the 3rd though.

The best defensive lineman available and an OT seems right for these picks. The open question is whether Belichick can get the same value at these positions by moving down a bit.

I don't see them packaging both seconds to move up to the top of the second because there doesn't seem to be anyone worth that high a price. Moving up inside 50 makes more sense if a prospect they really like drops that far. Other than RB there really isn't a starting position that need to be filled and it looks like they will have a number of good prospects to choose from with their first 4 picks (e.g....A. Collins, K. Drake, K. Dixon, J. Williams.... Etc etc..... And I would love to see them address it with their first pick it they can fill RB, OT, LB, and CB with their first four picks I will consider the offseason done and a huge success. I think Belichick will pick up Keenan Reynolds late and convert him to RB or possibly even as an eventual replacement for Edelman.

I would only move up for spriggs.

If we can not get spriggs, then we probably stay where we are, because someone we think will never make to 60, will fall to us.

This is a prime draft to move out of in my opinion, mostly because the roster is already pretty loaded with talent but to a lesser extent because many of the available players/values don't really match with the team's needs/requirements. Based on my latest 53-man roster projection, the guys who could lose their spots are Donald Brown, Brandon Bolden, Danny Amendola, Nate Washington, Michael Williams, Sebastian Vollmer, Marcus Cannon, LaAdrian Waddle, Chris Long, Geneo Grissom, Darryl Roberts, and Brandon King. Some of those players could be displaced by mid or late-round picks, but not many of them. However, there are a lot of players whose contracts expire after this season, so it might be worth hoarding picks for 2017 and seeing how the situations of some of the team's expiring contracts pan out.