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The problem with fantasy football is that it doesn't take good football into account, just stat padding.

A throw away is an incomplete pass in fantasy football with little upside. But it could be an incredibly intelligent football decision, rather than trying to force a pass where it shouldn't go or take a coverage sack. I saw a number of those with Brady early on this year when the youngins couldn't get separation in man coverage.
 
You do not think context is taken into account when playing fantasy football? Context is everything, you must look deeper into the why to win.


But, looking at the totality of this year, Brady just isn't as dynamic and consistent as he had been previously, the "why" for that doesn't really matter because the "why" is still in play.

If you watch the NFL's fantasy show, it's clear they don't take context into account at all. Brady could be perfect, but if he only threw for 1 TD, he had a bad game. They say stuff like that all the time.

Fantasy football is the reason people think Rodgers had a better year than Brady last year. It's absurd.

Brady has been near flawless after the first third of the season.
 
The problem with fantasy football is that it doesn't take good football into account, just stat padding.

A throw away is an incomplete pass in fantasy football with little upside. But it could be an incredibly intelligent football decision, rather than trying to force a pass where it shouldn't go or take a coverage sack. I saw a number of those with Brady early on this year when the youngins couldn't get separation in man coverage.

I've watched every snap Brady has taken this year. I know the why.
 
If you watch the NFL's fantasy show, it's clear they don't take context into account at all. Brady could be perfect, but if he only threw for 1 TD, he had a bad game. They say stuff like that all the time.

Fantasy football is the reason people think Rodgers had a better year than Brady last year. It's absurd.

Brady has been near flawless after the first third of the season.

I said I don't have cable. I just watch football, I do not watch the talking heads.
 
I've watched every snap Brady has taken this year. I know the why.

So the reason for the drop in passing offense production is completely 100% Tom Brady, and has zero to do with losing Gronkowski, the Prisoner, Welker, Woodhead, Vereen, Vollmer for all or for large parts of the season, while having to rely on rookies and street free agents?



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So the reason for the drop in passing offense production is completely 100% Tom Brady, and has zero to do with losing Gronkowski, the Prisoner, Welker, Woodhead, Vereen, Vollmer for all or for large parts of the season, while having to rely on rookies and street free agents?



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Regardless of the reasons, it still is a drop off.
 
Regardless of the reasons, it still is a drop off.


Yeah, it is, but you have to look at the situation. For him to still out up those numbers is amazing. Name me a QB that wouldn't see a drop off from his 5 targets from the past year?
 
Regardless of the reasons, it still is a drop off.

So why the assumption that it is all on Brady?

Do the 52 other players have no effect on the outcome of a game?
 
I love the Patriots, I even put my money where my mouth is, but you guys are just blinded by your bias. The Patriots offense this season is the worst its been in a while and that reflects on Brady. Every team has EXCUSES for why things have not been great, so I don't buy into using them for Brady.

Now, does that mean Brady won't step it up in the playoffs? Of course not. Brady could come in and be rock solid on Saturday, an MVP type performance would not shock me in the least. However, I would also not be shocked if he came in and had 55% completion rate, no TDs and an interception, with 3 sacks.

I have no idea what to expect and the reason for that is this has been a very un-Brady like year, and Brady certainly has not done much in the playoffs recently, sans Texans last year.

You can't be serious. Brady just threw for 4,000+ yards with an undrafted former quarterback, an undersized slot receiver with a torn groin, JAG TE's, and three rookie WR's in the toughest offense in the NFL to learn this season. That isn't even taking into account just how bad the interior OL has played.
 
I love the Patriots, I even put my money where my mouth is, but you guys are just blinded by your bias. The Patriots offense this season is the worst its been in a while and that reflects on Brady. Every team has EXCUSES for why things have not been great, so I don't buy into using them for Brady.

Now, does that mean Brady won't step it up in the playoffs? Of course not. Brady could come in and be rock solid on Saturday, an MVP type performance would not shock me in the least. However, I would also not be shocked if he came in and had 55% completion rate, no TDs and an interception, with 3 sacks.

I have no idea what to expect and the reason for that is this has been a very un-Brady like year, and Brady certainly has not done much in the playoffs recently, sans Texans last year.


lol, not blinded by bias. You have to look farther than your fantasy football stats buddy.
 
You are going to have a really hard time convincing me that Kapernick and Rivers are better than Brady.
 
Let me phrase it this way........

If you and seven of your friends were coaches of the last 8 playoff teams and you did a redraft of all teams. What would your quarterback cheatsheet look like?

I would have to think that Brady would be top three.

I mean, you have to consider the track record. He manages to win with talent surrounding him AND WITHOUT.

There is no way I'd trust my playoff fortunes on a guy like Cam Newton or Andrew Luck over Brady.
 
lol, not blinded by bias. You have to look farther than your fantasy football stats buddy.

He seems to be a JEST troll
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this has officially become the lowest ranked playoff thread
 
Non-homer analysis

1. Brady = Poised, but can be pressured and is immobile except within the pocket. Not prone to poor decisions or responding poorly to game pressure. Led his team to 12-4 with a good O-line but with a cast of nobodies as weapons (Julian Edelman a 100 catch, 1000 yard #1 receiver?). He had a remarkable turnaround in productivity from the first half of the season to the 2nd as he adjusted to a new corp of receivers and tight ends. Seems to be weatherproof in his passing performances, at least moreso than most. The burden of carrying the team may wear on him if facing a stellar defense, particular one with an interior pass rush. Can lead any comeback.

2. Manning = He has so many more weapons than Brady, and the ability to pass it to them provided that gametime conditions are not too adverse. Cold and (especially) wind are a problem because he does not throw a tight spiral. Can lead any comeback and create a shootout vs. even good defenses. Tends to force passes much more often than Brady and his defense seems prone to collapse, making him carry the weight to win shootout games played in the 40s. Would be further down with a lesser arsenal of receivers.

3. Luck = Scary talented, with mobility well ahead of both 1A and 1B, and also better arm strength (albeit with lesser accuracy). Seems unflappable so far. Largely untested in playoff settings, though (not his fault). Can be erratic and even error-prone at times, mostly due to a subpar O-line that forces him to make decisions much more quickly than is desirable, without the time to wait on receivers to find soft spots or make a second move. The O-line play makes him more prone to sacks and blitzes than most other playoff QBs, even though he moves amazingly well.

4. Brees = On his home field he would clearly be 1C or at worst 3, rather than 4. He can put up good stats on the road but the W/L column does not follow and the turnovers can also mount. Surrounded by capable weapons, a good line, and has an amazing coach and smart play-calling. Can get incredibly hot and pick apart a defense with amazing accuracy, but can also get flustered into making errors and throwing it up for grabs when he should instead take a sack. When hot, he can throw virtually in-defensible passes into the tightest of tight spots better than anyone. Small and can get passes knocked down more than most.

5A. Rivers = He’s as talented as any QB but is more erratic, more Favre-like than Brady-like. Takes more chances than most and seems to want to be “the guy” and carry the team even if he doesn’t have to, because he has a good running game and solid D. Can be lethal if he gets up on you in a game because as a frontrunner his rah-rah personality is an asset. When things are going bad, though, that same personality shows itself as pouty and immature. He is much less likely to lead a significant late comeback than are QBs 1-4.

5B. Wilson = A younger Brees plus athleticism, though not as accurate and even smaller in stature, probably 5’10”. He can have on and off days, maybe due to an inconsistent release point. He has the luxury to play conservatively because he rarely has to carry a team. His defense does that regularly, and so does his beastly running back. Good scrambler and improviser. Too young to know how playoff pressure will affect him, but his personality type suggests poise under pressure.

(I would put the biggest gap here)

7. Newton = He can throw like Brady on some days and throw like Jamarcus Russell on other days (though not as often). On the Brady-like days he can seem unbeatable because he runs well too and is about as hard to sack as Big Ben (very strong). He can be error-prone, indecisive, and get flustered, though. He's very unlikely to be poised enough to overcome any large deficit. He is supported by a very good defense and O-line that theoretically can allow him to not take many risks, but he seems to not understand that just yet.

8. Kaepernick = He’s the hardest to get a good read on. Sometimes he looks like a superb pocket QB and would be at worst #5C on this list if he learned to do that even most of the time. He has the arm strength but can misread defenses. Sometimes he seems lost in the pocket despite having arguably the best offensive line there is in the game today in front of him. He too often depends on making spectacular runs on his own, though it can be a great bailout because he can rip off even a 50 yard run. He’s also too young to know exactly how playoff pressure will affect him, but last year and last week he seemed mostly undaunted. Like Wilson, he has the luxury of not having to really carry the load. He has clearly done less with more this year, with the team earning a 5th seed despite having an amazing O-line, a stifling defense, an above average array of offensive weapons that includes a punishing running game, and very good coaching. They did win 12 games, but the team is even more talented than that and his inconsistency showed in the 4 losses. Brady or Manning would have made a run at 16-0 with talent like that.
 
You are going to have a really hard time convincing me that Kapernick and Rivers are better than Brady.

Or Luck, Wilson, Manning, Brees, and Newton for that matter.

But I assume it is trolling.
 
There is a reason why the Sporting News has become an irrelevant publication. Vinny Ivers is a hack too.

I really don't care about these types of articles because they are subjective and really don't mean much of anything, but say say Cam Newton has better pocket presence than Brady makes this article a huge joke. Newton had a fantastic year, but it isn't because he has good pocket presence.

Is SN even a publication any more? I know they put out the yearbooks for different sports, but I haven't seen a regular issue in a long time.
 
Sounds like we're having another Brady documentary named the Brady 7 :p but seriously if there was ever a disrespectful article towards our QB it is this one. Whatever though even if those statements are somewhat remotely true we have the guy with the most heart and no one comes close to it on how bad Tom wants to win.
 
You guys are happy to make excuses for Brady and refuse to do the same for the other QBs.
 
You guys are happy to make excuses for Brady and refuse to do the same for the other QBs.

For one this is a Patriots forum we love T Brady. Two, if not even us can defend Brady and these stupid articles disregarding his body of work who else would? Brady is 17-7 in the playoffs and the only Qb with 100wins more than losses yet the media and almost every opposing fan continually bash Brady and worship a guy who is 9-11 in the playoffs and two young QBs who haven't done enough to be viewed as the better playoff QB.
 
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