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Not sure. I just think that Maroney 'changed' after the Cincy game. He became a more timid runner long before he got hurt. The rookie wall hit him early.

I think it was the Indy game that he peaked. The Cincy game was a product of some of the worst team tacking you will ever see. Maroney was stil quite good when NE and Indy faced last time to the point where nearly every run had a "holy crap he just might take this!" moment.

He was pretty good against TN as well.
 
Looks like the Colts got the better of the pick but the Patriots offensive line is not noted for their run blocking. Maroney gets hit before getting to the line too often.
 
pats need to design some run plays for maroney. why don't they "pitch out" the ball and let him run and find the seams? More flare outs would be nice also.
 
He started the season dancing, got better as the season wore on, got hurt, seemed to be doing okay when he came back, but in the playoffs under pressure seems to have reverted to dancing again. He was run on one screen I remember and he danced for a five yd gain - tackled from behind by a DL.

Fears has his work cut out to try and drill downhill running into his head. He was my biggest disappointment from last night.
 
I would agree Maroney seemed to be hitting the hole a lot quicker and more aggressively earlier in the year.

I would argue in his defense however that a lot of the time he gets the ball the blockers are on him before he has a chance to do anything. That happened quite a few times last night if I remember correctly (quite possible I don't as it was 2 am when I was watching it). It seems to me that the O-line have started a lot of games well this season run-blocking but then seem to fade out of the game. Not to mention the games where the run-blocking never got going.
 
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He started the season dancing, got better as the season wore on, got hurt, seemed to be doing okay when he came back, but in the playoffs under pressure seems to have reverted to dancing again. He was run on one screen I remember and he danced for a five yd gain - tackled from behind by a DL.

Fears has his work cut out to try and drill downhill running into his head. He was my biggest disappointment from last night.

Bruschi and Caldwell were MUCH bigger disappointments, IMO.
 
pats need to design some run plays for maroney. why don't they "pitch out" the ball and let him run and find the seams? More flare outs would be nice also.

When I was watching the SB 36 replay on NFL Network one of the things I noticed was how often they pitched the ball to Smith and Faulk and I thought they should do that more especially with Maroney. Getting him outside the tackles quicker might help him out.
 
IYO, not mine.

How could Maroney have been a bigger disappointment when they didn't even give him the ball in the second half.

Yet, if Reche makes those grabs we probably win the game.

Yeah, that makes sense.
 
How could Maroney have been a bigger disappointment when they didn't even give him the ball in the second half.

Yet, if Reche makes those grabs we probably win the game.

Yeah, that makes sense.
Reche moved the chains last night - yeh, he dropped two balls, both times he was splitting his attention by trying to do too much, a mistake yes, but he wasn't a complete failure on the night and he had a very good season.

Maroney got very few positive yards last night. I think he had one good run behind Mankins for 5 yds, the rest of the time he danced indecisively - absolutely not what I want to see on a RB in crunch time after he's played most of a season.

I understand Reche trying to cradle the ball in the end zone - wrong decision, but understandable if your trying to protect the ball from being knocked free. I understand Reche drooling about making a big play along the sideline and dropping a ball because he was thinking run instead of catch - the very best in the business do that too - a mistake but I understand why.

What I don't get is Maroney's dancing after a season working with Dillon and Faulk. I like the kid, he's still hot property, but he only once lowered his head and followed his blocker. Benson in Chicago did something similar on 3rd and inches inside the 5, his LG pulled and powered in outside the RT - Benson tried to run around him instead of putting his shoulder into the LG's back and pushing the pile - he lost yardage. It's young RB syndrome, try to make a big play instead of riding your blocker and taking what is given. Maroney was even dancing on a screen play, he got tackled from behind by a DL because he couldn't decide where to run. Disappointing and a mistake I "don't" understand. He gets my vote for that reason.
 
Reche moved the chains last night - yeh, he dropped two balls, both times he was splitting his attention by trying to do too much, a mistake yes, but he wasn't a complete failure on the night and he had a very good season.

Don't get me wrong, I was very impressed with Caldwell all season. But I think you're understating the impact of those two drops. Absolutely killer.

Maroney got very few positive yards last night. I think he had one good run behind Mankins for 5 yds, the rest of the time he danced indecisively - absolutely not what I want to see on a RB in crunch time after he's played most of a season.

True, but it appeared to me that the run-blocking simply wasn't there. Maybe I'm off-base here, but I think the lack of a vertical passing game really hamstrings our ability to get a running game going.

Good explanation, though. I can see where you're coming from.
 
I'm with Box on this one I'm afraid. Listening to the radio coverage it was very frustrating. It typically went something along the lines of "Maroney in the backfield, Brady takes the snap, Maroney to the left..." (then a very loud cheer from the RCA dome) "and Maroney loses 2, maybe 3 yards on the play." Sadly it got to the point that when I heard that Maroney was in the game, I expected negative yardage on the play.

Not having been able to see the game, I don't know what kind of packages he was running out of. Was Evans in as a lead blocker at all? It might make it that bit easier for Maroney to just worry less about that first fit and pick a hole, but I can't really comment without seeing the game. Certainly on the radio though he was the biggest disappointment in terms of a player.

In terms of a whole game though, the penalties really killed us yesterday. In the regular season, we gave up 102 penalties for 918 yards, at an average of 6 penalties a game. That was good for joint 6th in number of penalties conceeded (though of those joined teams, we gave away the most yards). In the playoffs we once again averaged 6 penalties a game. The crux though was that we gave away 8 for 63 yards yesterday. So it was a below average day for discipline in terms of absolute values, and that is even before you assess the significance of the timing of those penalties, which is probably a more perfect measure. In points cost per penalty, I'd say our score yesterday would have been well above the season average.

Indeed, in the playoffs, we were the most penalized team. Read into that what you will.
 
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It's not fair to criticise our running game when opposing teams played us 8 men in the box for much of the last 1/2 of the season in order to stop our run knowing full well that we couldn't pass on them under any circumstance.

If we had a passing attack that legitimately threatened opposing defenses in anyway then our running game would have opened up easily and been a huge strength.
 
If we had a passing attack that legitimately threatened opposing defenses in anyway then our running game would have opened up easily and been a huge strength.

That's probably a bit tough on the passing game. They were 12th in the NFL this year based on passing offense.

That plus Brady means that our passing attack is always a threat to other offenses. I think at the end of the season though we realized that we could much better exploit this strength by getting a number of receivers on the field and forcing the other teams to come out in defensive-back packages. Cf. the San Diego game... we did struggle to run it but out of the spread running the draw was quite successful. But you don't want the draw to be the basis of your run game.

It doesn't seem to me that the passing game is a necessary condition for a good run game. For example, San Diego, Denver, KC all had worse passing offenses than ours but we know all about their running games. So I guess my assertions are:

(1) the passing game wasn't that bad
(2) a good passing game is neither a necessary nor sufficient condition for a good running game
(3) on that basis other factors are clearly important. I think they're well illustrated by the previous examples - talent helps, and blocking is crucial.

Let's not try and reduce this down to one area because to my mind, none are sufficiently explanatory. If we asked BB what he'd thought, I'm sure he'd say we have to do a better job with the blocking, with the running and with the play calling.

Edit: just an interesting addendum: Atlanta had the #1 rushing attack in the league, and the #32 passing attack.
 
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Nobody mentions the RB who I think looks like a better future star than Addai and Maroney and its Maurice Jones Drew - I am predicting his career will be much better than either 2 of the playoff rookie RBs-Just because his team did not make the playoffs does not hide his great play for a rookie and impressed me.

Expect 1,300/1,400 yards from him next year as a full time back at Jax,I can't say the same for Maroney right now unless he has an unbelievable offseason.

Take off the red,silver,blue glasses and see he was the best RB of the Rookie pack this year,and that was as a rotating RB.
 
someone watch film. you all blame Maroney. i blame OL.

hes dancing b/c he has no room..you need to dance to make something happen..cant just run into a DL whos in your face.

i saw Maroney get swarmed as soon as he got the snap a few times..no where to go.

i hope theres a film breakdown and someone agrees with me maybe
 
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