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What could he say?

He obviously didnt know the plays week to week. With BB, you practice well and show that you know what youre doing and you play on Sunday. He made plenty of money and I disagree that Chad Jackson gave it his all - "tried hard."

He always found time for twitter or some foolish BS drawing attention to himself while he was failing miserably at what was most important.



He could have behaved like R Moss circa 2009 or like TO most of his career.

He didn't.

Not sure why you are angry because he wasn't bright enough to figure out this system, J Galloway and many others could not.

Did he cut in front of you in line at Starbucks or something?
 
Yeah, he couldn't pass the vision test no matter how close the doctor held the playbook.

Funny seeing you clown on Chad Johnson now. Last season you went into full meltdown mode every time he was criticized when he was playing like a bum. What a joke. Lol!
 
The team didnt tell Ocho to go on twitter, write Roger Goodell or have a reality TV about his life. No amount of foolish excuse making will change what a disaster Ocho was a Patriot.

None of that is the reason that Johnson couldn't figure out the patterns. You've basically not made a decent argument this entire offseason, and this post of yours is in keeping with that record of failure.
 
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Good riddance to a good guy.

Mistakes happen.
 
Ocho gave it his all, he happens to have a personality, which was irrelevant to his play on the field. Didn't work out. STFU to anyone who thinks otherwise. Ocho gets signed within a week is my preidction.
 
Carson Palmer is in Oakland...I just have nothing on the Raiders depth chart at WR right now..they HAD Heywood-Bey and Who'sYourMomma last season...who knows?...I really don't care
 
It's all because of Brady's wicked Boston accent; Ocho couldn't understand a word of what he said.
 
Good riddance to a good guy.

Mistakes happen.

I think that probably sums it up better than most.

He seemed to still have skills as a WR, but sadly could not pick up the offense on too much of a level.

I don't have a problem with him personally, and was pulling for him to make the team and turn it around.

As you say, some work out and some don't.
 
It's all because of Brady's wicked Boston accent; Ocho couldn't understand a word of what he said.

I'm sorry. I can't understand a word you're saying.
 
So, is this the year Taylor Price breaks out?
 
I agree with pretty much all of this. Which is why my frustration was not so much with Ochocinco, who seemed to at least make a serious effort to make things work, as with the organization for making the trade in the first place. I never thought 85 would be a fit, either from a personality or from a system perspective. Getting him was a non-trivial investment in terms of draft picks, salary, and not pursuing other options. The 2011 FA WR group wasn't particularly strong, but there were other options available - such as Donte Stallworth, who cost Washington all of $810K to sign, and who had prior experience with the Patriots system. The money and draft picks could have been used elsewhere, and the benefit to the team would likely have been greater. There were other options as well. But collectively the FO and coaching staff thought that Ochocinco was the best option to upgrade the WR group. Taking some risks is ok, but Ochocinco was a relatively high cost high risk gamble from the outset, and I wonder why such a collectively smart and experienced group of football personnel thought he was a good investment.

In retrospect, I would definitely agree with you on the cap hit and it sadly appears on the system fit. Not so much on the draft pick. It was only a 5th (?). It was a shot at getting somebody who could stretch the field and potentially be a 1000 yd capable receiver to the mix. It crapped out but you arent going to get a decent shot at that with a 5th rounder either.

I wish the Ocho saga had worked out. It would have been a great storyline and he is a great character. It puzzles me sometimes that he could be such a bad fit - or have such a hard time not even knowing where to line up (maybe he has some undiagnosed learning disability). Or he just physically went downhill way fast.

Long term; I think this will only reinforce BB's emphasis on hard-nosed discipline approach to player management and cap. I think it was most likely him personnally who pushed through the deal to get Ocho (or subodinates did mostly because they know how much admiration BB had for him). he got burned by going with his emotions and he isn't likely to do it again.

That could be part of what is playing out wiht the Welker issue. That would be truly the saddest part of this whole deal is that if we wasted 3-4M on Ocho the past 2 years that could have secured Welker a year ago long term at a lower price. Now playing hard ball could lose us Welker after this season. So that is Welker being screwed twice by the Ocho deal - cutting cap room last year and then changing the team motivation to make long term deals with older wrs.
 
Ochocinco did not grasp the system, from what little we saw of him. No doubt the coaching staff saw more of him and came to precisely the same conclusion. It'll be interesting to see what becomes of him in other systems -- i.e., whether all the individual skills are still there and can be put to good use, just not within the system as of 2011-2012 that NE is running.

For all we know he could have given us the output of a Randy Moss of 2007, were it still 2007 (not in terms of his physical prowess, but in terms of the way the Pats' O was directed.)

We all assume that the full-throttle bombs-away 2007 version of the O was the goal and always will be the goal, and that the Pats shifted toward the TE focus for lack of downfield options.

While you always want that downfield option, I don't think it was ever going to be our 2011 bread and butter, no matter what. Now, Chad is strong in the intermediary-to-long game, sure, but with a downfield capability (as opposed to Moss, who is more of the pure burner.)

But what the Pats get out of going to the TEs more is more capability to use the passing game as a run by another means. That's not what you see in the gaudy Gronk/Hernandez stats, but that's the extra capability you get.

Meh, too early in the morning and I'm too un-learned in the ways of gameplanning etc. I hope it's just a matter of Ocho just not getting it. Seems like BB demands full knowledge of your role, and Ocho wasn't providing it. If his physical skills were on the slide as well, well then, "mystery" solved.

I just have this feeling he'll go elsewhere and rebound. That's fine - all that matters in NE is he wasn't going to rebound there.
 
Chad, see the folks in HR on the way out for your exit interview. Be sure to turn in your playbook. Oh yeah, you never opened your playbook.
 
In retrospect, I would definitely agree with you on the cap hit and it sadly appears on the system fit. Not so much on the draft pick. It was only a 5th (?). It was a shot at getting somebody who could stretch the field and potentially be a 1000 yd capable receiver to the mix. It crapped out but you arent going to get a decent shot at that with a 5th rounder either.

I beleive it was a pair of 6's, so we missed out on the next Brady for 2 seasons.;)
 
I beleive it was a pair of 6's, so we missed out on the next Brady for 2 seasons.;)

It was a 2012 5th and a 2013 6th. The 2013 5th went for Haynesworth. Haynesworth did a real restructure, dropping his salary from $5.4M to $1.5M. Ocho got an extension that basically turned his 2011 remaining salary of $6M into $6M in salary and signing bonus paid in 2011 on a 2 year extension that totaled 3 years $12M. Consequently we have a dead cap hit of $3M remaining on his deal, spread over the remaining 2 year at $1.5M per.

Shalize has a recap up that covers most of the bases. Florio typically has speculated that half the league may be interested. Mike Freeman had a piece up that narrowed the field considerably (Jags, Rams, SF, Panthers, Dallas, Buffalo). Can't imaging Palmer wants a reunion in the black hole. His fate was largely of his own making (didn't work at his craft - kind of like Chad who worked on conditioning but not refinement), but Ocho's freespiritedness didn't help. Nor did his unwillingness to spend more than mandatory off season time together while in Cincy. And ultimately they had a love hate relationship with lots of finger pointing and eyerolls.

Ochocinco released by Patriots - The Boston Globe

Feeling around NFL is that Ochocinco will play again; but where? - CBSSports.com

Rosenhaus will find him a gig. Miami would make sense from a family standpoint, and they are doing Hard Knocks, but they also don't have a stable QB situation and they're rebuilding with a rookie HC. So who knows, he is a reality celeb filming a reality wedding show with another Miami celeb, and Ross loves him some celebrity.
 
So is he cut or not cut?:confused:
 
Where's the guy who said about 10,000 times that 85 was a lock because BB never cut a guy who restructured his contract?

It wasn't me. I thought they should have cut him last season when the "can't understand the playbook" talk started. This is professional football. It seems to me like grasping the playbook for your position is a minimum requirement.

The surprise in this is that BB couldn't get a draft pick for the guy.

Cincinnati dumped Ocho, TO and Carson Palmer and then made the playoffs with Brandon Tate as a op-tier return man willing to adapat his career to fit the needs of his employer. TO and Ocho are presently out of football and Palmer missed the playoffs. These big personality divas who put their interest in money or self promotion ahead of their teams are not a pathway to success.

I wish Ocho luck and I hope the Pats brain trust learns from the Haynesworth/Ochocinco free agency debacle.
 
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There are three types of thoughts about Ocho in here.

1) He couldn't learn the playbook,thus was not in sync and was not a factor,he was a workout warrior and a good teammate and would have proved himself had he been given another chance.

Others say

2) Is an attention whore who has too much going on outside of football to give full concentration to the sport (his minute by minute reporting of EVERYTHING he does each day posting it on twitter and trying to get to the front page of every sports paper in the USA)

3) Simply is not a very good NFL WR anymore and should retire before he really embarrasses himself and overshadows his achievements of his earlier years.


The fact that a scrub like Underwood apparently picked up the playbook faster than a 10 year veteran yet he was cut hours before the SB tells me the combo of #2 and #3 are the answers.

Those who choose to believe #1 think Ocho struggled to take over a year to learn the playbook which is what some are saying in here which to me is ridiculous,he is not dumb because if you think #1 you think this way.... He is just not very good,in fact he stinks anymore.


As Pats fans we can all pray that another AFC East team is stupid enough to sign him up....the more wasted roster spots on our division rivals,the weaker they are.
 
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