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Stats sometimes don't lie. WHERE IS THE TALENT? The fanboys don't want to admit there is no talent on the defense. And why is that? Because then they would have to admit LORD BILL made mistakes. Look at the talent on the Ravens defense. Packers defense, Titans defense, and you could name 25 other teams that have more talent. Where is their Suggs?? Ed Reed? Ngati? and Lewis.

And I am not necessarily talking about THESE players because 2 of them are hall of famers, I am talking about the roles. Defensive line stud, pass rusher, play making safety and fearsome middle linebacker. The Pats once had this. (Seymour, Bruschi, Harrison, Willie or Vrabel) Now maybe they only have the Defensive Line Stud. The rest..Nope. Even Mayo, who fears Mayo? He's a great tackler, not a playmaker.

Now, I am expecting the fanboys to immediately start talking about Flacco. Well, I am ONLY talking about the defense. the Pats offense is ready to go. They can play with anyone. And as far as getting better, I always said, if you have too many ifs you don't have a great team. IF Albert, IF Dowling, IF the Safeties. So I expect Sanchez to have a good game this week. And I expect the same excuses from the fanboys.

Haynesworth - Injured
Wilfork - playing, but needs to drop some weight in this new system
Mayo - has been playing, but is now injured
Bodden - has been recovering from injury and missing all of last year
McCourty - has been getting smoked like salmon
Chung - still learning, still not great in coverage, and got injured
Spikes - had been injured and out of shape, is now working back

For a 4-3 when healthy, this team should have the talent to be at least pretty good by year's end, although it's weak at safety (and OLB other than Mayo). It's got to get healthy, though, so that it can both mesh together and keep the older players fresh.
 
I am not as optimistic.This team needs ends with at least some pressure.They dont have to get sacks.
 
Haynesworth - Injured
Wilfork - playing, but needs to drop some weight in this new system
Mayo - has been playing, but is now injured
Bodden - has been recovering from injury and missing all of last year
McCourty - has been getting smoked like salmon
Chung - still learning, still not great in coverage, and got injured
Spikes - had been injured and out of shape, is now working back

For a 4-3 when healthy, this team should have the talent to be at least pretty good by year's end, although it's weak at safety (and OLB other than Mayo). It's got to get healthy, though, so that it can both mesh together and keep the older players fresh.

Wilfork may be the best player in the team that is Pro Bowl-worthy.

Mayo is good against the run, terrible in coverage.

Bodden is already 30 years old: if he needs time to recover, he's already done.

McCourty is having an off year, I'll give you that. Maybe he's really good.

Chung just doesn't have the size to be a SS. You saw what Kevin Boss did to him yesterday. He's too small for the fast, big TE of today, and he's not that tough for a SS in run-coverage (you saw that too when they were bouncing Fred Jackson and McFadden the past two weeks; also the fault of a crappy, scrappy LB line).

Spikes has never been really good. It was more hype than anything. He's indisciplined, and looks like a guy BB would cut in any moment. He's also as slow as Wilfork, it seems. No lateral quickness, can't disengage the blocker, doesn't have that much strength as it was suggested. Those things can't be taught.

Also, they have the same problem the Eagles have: the other LBs are crap. Just crap, undrafted free-agents and scout-team material. I'm talking about Ninkovich, Fletcher, Guyton, Moore... you can't have Hole-In-Zones like those guys or you'll get run over by the other team or slowly killed by underneath and slant routes.
 
Spikes has never been really good. It was more hype than anything. He's indisciplined, and looks like a guy BB would cut in any moment. He's also as slow as Wilfork, it seems. No lateral quickness, can't disengage the blocker, doesn't have that much strength as it was suggested. Those things can't be taught.

For the life of me, I cannot figure out where people get this stuff.
 
Also, they have the same problem the Eagles have: the other LBs are crap. Just crap, undrafted free-agents and scout-team material. I'm talking about Ninkovich, Fletcher, Guyton, Moore... you can't have Hole-In-Zones like those guys or you'll get run over by the other team or slowly killed by underneath and slant routes.

Moore is not even on the team anymore.
 
I asked because #6 seed is FINE (especially because no one has played more on the road or has won as many road games in 2011- - so it's definitely "advantage-Pats" so far). What seed were the Jets last year? What seed were the Ravens in 2009? All that counts is getting into the playoffs and being on a roll.

I completely agree that the Defense needs to get better.

However, we have post-2007 posters on this board spouting that it is "the WORST defense in the NFL" and that "it can't stop NOBODY".

This type of nonsense is consistently being spewed by posters who back up their statements with yardage stats alone. Not scoring. Not red-zone. Not turnover. Not the fact that the 4 teams played by the Pats are 7-5 in non Pats games and that 3 of the 4 games were on the road. Nope. Just yardage.

The 2007 Patriots spawned an entire group of new football fans that were turned on by the stats.

Well the 6th seed is not fine for me . . . all I care about is Jan/Feb, everything else exhibition, we probably have only 3-5 more years of Brady and likely the same number of years of SB caliber team. Surely after TB leaves we still should be a good team making the playoffs here and there, but for me I want to ride this wave as long as i can as I think this team will very likely be the last great team in my life time . . . having watched football for 40 years I have seen the lows of the Pats when they could find any way to lose, listening to the games on the radio as the TV broadcast was blackedout as the stadium was not filled, and watching other teams and cities have the "good" teams . . .

but now it is our time, and I want to win more before we loose Brady and possibly BB too . . . true it is difficult to keep a championship caliber defense for a 10 years stretch and we were fortunate to had a lot of great players hit their maturity 27-32 years old during the 01-04 run and to a lesser degree 05-07, and yes one can not turn over a roster in one year, and sometimes draft choices and FAs don't panned out . . .

so am not really blaming anyone . . . but regardless, we still don't have a shut down defense and our defense is suspect . . . during the 01-04 run we had a solid defense and also one that made some big plays when needed . . . now were really don't have either, but we are making some big plays and our redzone D has improved . . . but for the most part our D deficiences are masked by the offense . . .

sometimes tho the D will have to step up and make plays when the offense is not going great, we were always able to do that 01-04, but in the last few years have not . . . '06 our old D, let us down to a degree in the AFFCG, notwithstanding Samuel pick six and we were all drained from the flu (not to mention not having Harrison - thanks Tenn and Jeff Fisher), in '07 we really started to run out of gas going into the playoffs and in SB 42 when our O was not doing great we needed our D to make a few stops, but the Gmen score 14 pts in the 4th and our D missed a few INTs on the last drive,

. . . in '09 when our D was in transition and not that strong, the Ravens spanked us, big bang clock missed an angle and Ray Rice went for a 80 yard TD and it was kind of game set and match, in '10 TB carries our team to a great degree, then he was a little off in the playoffs against J-E-S-Ts, when Chung tried the fack punt, our D did not come up and we see big bang clock and Chung handing onto Edwards as he scores, then we get back into the game and the jets TE takes a routine look in pass for about 30-40 yards while Spikes is chasing him and NY eventually scores . . .

so bottom line in the 06, 07, 09 and 10 playoffs our D could of made a play or two to change our fortunes but was not able to do so . . . similarily our present D as it stands it somewhat of the same situation, that is, it may not be able to make the big plays when needed, sure an open Chung can pick a ball thrown to him by the middle of road QB and we praise the red zone turnover, and the 70 or so yards yielded as "stats are for losers" but if we yeild 70 yards to a playoff caliber team in the playoffs, don't expect the ball thrown to an open defender . . .

of coarse the jury it still out on our D and it does take time for players to mature, and we got a young D, likely and hopfully our D will get stronger/have playmakers, in the next 3-5 years. Indeed our 01-04 D was comprised predominately from players who cut their teeth in the nfl in the mid 90s . . .

but until we have proven set of playmakers who can make plays and bend but don't break stops/turnovers, are able to stop teams between the 20s, and/or give up fewer yards, we are going to be left with heading into the playoffs and yeild up more than a desirable amount of red zone possessions,. . . sure in the regular season we can play Oakland and give the battlecry cliche "stats are for losers" but if we give one too many red zone possessions in the playoffs we will likely be loosers . . .

so we can whistle by the graveyard about our D between the 20s, and praise regular seasons wins, or come to realization that teams that yeild a lot of yards without a great level of proven play makers, will not, just as the pats had in '05, '06, '09 and '10, not have a great deal of success in the playoffs . . .

my two and half cents . . .
 
The Jets defense wasn't bad, but a lot of that is a reflection of how utterly terrible Flacco and the playcalling was on the Ravens.

We should give them a much more difficult test, particularly if Hernandez is back.

If the Ravens MVP (Sanchez) doesnt cough up 21 points, I beleive the Jets would have won.

The Ravens play calling was atrocious and so was Failcco.
 
11/27

165 yards

2 int

1 BS td


Sanchez is a complete joke
 
Well, looks like Rex is pulling the plug on Sanchez's Flying Circus.

Addressing the team on Monday, a "furious" coach Rex Ryan told his players that the Jets will scrap their pass-heavy offense in favor of a run-first approach going forward.

"Ground and pound is back," reports beat writer Rich Cimini. According to LG/C Matt Slauson, Ryan was "emotionally hurt" after Sunday's loss to the Ravens, but "today, he was pissed." The approach would make sense if the Jets were generating any production from the running game. Through four games, New York ranks 30th in the league in yards-per-carry average (3.09) and starting running back Shonn Greene's 3.08 YPC clip ranks 50th among players with at least 15 rushing attempts. This is shaping up as a nightmare offense.
 
Well, looks like Rex is pulling the plug on Sanchez's Flying Circus.

Addressing the team on Monday, a "furious" coach Rex Ryan told his players that the Jets will scrap their pass-heavy offense in favor of a run-first approach going forward.

"Ground and pound is back," reports beat writer Rich Cimini. According to LG/C Matt Slauson, Ryan was "emotionally hurt" after Sunday's loss to the Ravens, but "today, he was pissed." The approach would make sense if the Jets were generating any production from the running game. Through four games, New York ranks 30th in the league in yards-per-carry average (3.09) and starting running back Shonn Greene's 3.08 YPC clip ranks 50th among players with at least 15 rushing attempts. This is shaping up as a nightmare offense.

Everyone who fears Shonn Greene, raise your hand...

... nobody? Well damn, good luck with that Rex.

As all of us, and even most Jets fans, said going into the season, the progress of the offense (and the team at large) would depend almost entirely on Sanchez's progress as a QB. The progress that the Jets fans thought they'd see (and I was skeptical of) simply hasn't happened, and their ground game isn't good enough to take the lead anymore.
 
Sanchez will have a better game because the NE D cannot create the same pressure as Baltimore.

Who are the Suggs and Lewis on the Pats D?

Moreover, Sanchez is a throw the ball in the general vicinity of the WR and let him go get it type QB. The Jets WRs will get open.

I think the Pats win, but Im not counting on a blowout.


Cunningham is our Suggs, and Spikes our Lewis, and Sergio is our Ed Reed !

Yea, baby.
 
Wilfork may be the best player in the team that is Pro Bowl-worthy.

Mayo is good against the run, terrible in coverage.

Bodden is already 30 years old: if he needs time to recover, he's already done.

McCourty is having an off year, I'll give you that. Maybe he's really good.

Chung just doesn't have the size to be a SS. You saw what Kevin Boss did to him yesterday. He's too small for the fast, big TE of today, and he's not that tough for a SS in run-coverage (you saw that too when they were bouncing Fred Jackson and McFadden the past two weeks; also the fault of a crappy, scrappy LB line).

Spikes has never been really good. It was more hype than anything. He's indisciplined, and looks like a guy BB would cut in any moment. He's also as slow as Wilfork, it seems. No lateral quickness, can't disengage the blocker, doesn't have that much strength as it was suggested. Those things can't be taught.

Also, they have the same problem the Eagles have: the other LBs are crap. Just crap, undrafted free-agents and scout-team material. I'm talking about Ninkovich, Fletcher, Guyton, Moore... you can't have Hole-In-Zones like those guys or you'll get run over by the other team or slowly killed by underneath and slant routes.

I disagree with you on several of these, but it's getting far afield with regards to the O.P., so I'll leave it at that.
 
18/30 304 2td/2int Pats win 41-24
 
Sanchez is the 28th rated passer in the NFL, and is just coming off one of the worst performances a QB can have. And has been underwhelming to say the least all year.

How do you think he will do vs the Pats next Sunday?

I say,

28-40, 340 yards,

3 Tds, and 0 Ints.

he does not get sacked once.

That was one of his worst performances as a Jet, but he played above average the other 4 games of the season. The problem is we have the worst o-line in the NFL right now and its not even debatable as far as I'm concerned. I think he can play well against you guys on Sunday because your defense has been pretty atrocious as well. I really can't see us winning the game though. I pray Mark walks out of NE still being able to walk.
 
That was one of his worst performances as a Jet, but he played above average the other 4 games of the season. The problem is we have the worst o-line in the NFL right now and its not even debatable as far as I'm concerned. I think he can play well against you guys on Sunday because your defense has been pretty atrocious as well. I really can't see us winning the game though. I pray Mark walks out of NE still being able to walk.

Comfort yourself with the idea that Vegas has taken pity on you. So long as you believe the Jets will lose by less than 9.5 points, you can win big even if the Jets lose.
 
Sanchez is the 28th rated passer in the NFL, and is just coming off one of the worst performances a QB can have. And has been underwhelming to say the least all year.

How do you think he will do vs the Pats next Sunday?

I say,

28-40, 340 yards,

3 Tds, and 0 Ints.

he does not get sacked once.

Sounds about right.
 
My lighter is out of fluid, my pint of vodka is empty, and I'm all out of matches. This is how Mark Sanchez must have felt after the 1st 10 minutes of Sunday nights game vs the Ravens.
 
Everyone who fears Shonn Greene, raise your hand...

... nobody? Well damn, good luck with that Rex.

As all of us, and even most Jets fans, said going into the season, the progress of the offense (and the team at large) would depend almost entirely on Sanchez's progress as a QB. The progress that the Jets fans thought they'd see (and I was skeptical of) simply hasn't happened, and their ground game isn't good enough to take the lead anymore.

Thing is since Sanchize only progressed in the propped up/manufactured leadership aspect of his game...they are all blaming it on Shotty again as usual... He has been their default reason for being the SOJ's since Sanchez was in HS... All Rex's bluster really accomplishes is it takes the pressure off of himself and the QB and the players, not to mention the GM who facilitated the entire mess, and places it all at the feet of the man JETS fans love to hate.

Rex knows defense and he knows how to motivate great players and even some heart and soul types. Absent enough of them, his bluster begins to ring hollow. I don't know if he actually knows how to identify talent (beyond what he's already worked with in Baltimore, where Ozzie provided him with a boatload), or if Tannenbaum simply makes the selections still based largely on his scouting maven predecessor's input, and makes the cuts based on his gut and the bottom line. He's certainly not a big picture thinker ala BB. Rex leads in the moment and sometimes he gets lucky... In 2009 after he threw in the towel because he's math challenged, his team got a little feisty and caught a couple of breaks and that carried them to the AFCC. In 2010 they rode the wave as far as that kind of perceived thing can take you. 2011 doesn't appear to be shaping up as one of those Rex's periods of good fortune... He's really lacking the kind of elite talent he needs to back his blather and crappy depth as the residual to earlier window shopping is finally dogging him and the kid QB remains an emotional enigma.
 
I love when Belichick blows draft pick after draft pick he's thinking big picture. Like screwing up in the draft is a contrived plan.

2007 team - no picks except K
2008 - Mayo only
2009 - Chung undersized, Brace bust, Butler gone, Vollmer hurt and his history of back injuries seem to be back
2011 - Dowling hurt

The only draft picks that are contributing are on offense. And that probably has a a lot to do with the best player in the league.

I see according to Mike Reiss that Meriweather is contributing. Meanwhile it is a universal fact that Sergio Brown doesn't know what the heck he's doing. That's why he wasn't drafted out of college. It's because he SUX. And as Notre Dame alum, I can tell you he was an AVERAGE college player at best. But, the genius thinks he worthly. Just like he thought and old and aging Derrick Burgess could replace a 29 year old Richard Seymour. Because Bill is a genius and can coach up anyone.

I am glad that it is now an accepted fact that this defense is the WORST under Belichick, and the only people who defend it are the Belichick Fanboys.

If I were Tom Brady I would go right to the top and tell Kraft how Belichicks arrogance cost the team at least 2 championships.
 
He will have a good game. I don't know who said it, but I heard a commentator say about a year or two ago that the Patriots defense is the remedy for a struggling offense.
 
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