Schefter tweets Pats looking to trade UP

I think they are certainly putting out feelers as part of their due diligence in case a player drops and they can trade up for value but it's the perfect storm that somebody like Dallas will take under value such as 17 + 74 for 9 and that the player(s) they are targeting make it there. Certainly they could easily recoup 74 later by using 28 and 33 which should be sweet-spots in this draft.

Breer speculated that their isn't that elite player who will be worth trading up from 17 to 9 or 10 as rumored so the Pats will likely trade down to the mid 20's furthering their position of strength to pick up the players they want there with no drop off in talent while still being able to trade out of 28 and\or 33. I think this is likely and if they went say Wilkerson with one pick and traded into next year with another and picked up any of OLB\OT\OG\WR with the 3rd it would be fine with me. That would still leave them a ton of other picks to fill in the roster.

patsinthesnow said:

Isn't Von Miller way to small to play 3-4 OLB? Plus trading up THAT high is too costly.

If Quinn gets to 10 though... :rocker:

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TBC is 6-2 250 while Miller is 6-3 246. He is on the smaller side, but he could fit on the Pats. Especially with his athletic ability.

stevedogc said:

I think the lowest Miller could fall is to 5th overall. The Pats certainly have enough to get him, but it will cost alot. Here are a few possibilities for a trade to #5.

Scenario #1
Pats trades: 17, 28 & 33 (2190 points) Arizona trades: 5 & 38 (2220 points)
Pats picks: 5, 38, 60, 74, 92, 124, 156, 184

Scenario #2
Pats trades: 17, 33 & 74 (1750 points) Arizona trades: 5 & 133 (1740 points)
Pats picks: 5, 28, 60, 92, 124, 133, 156, 184

Scenario #3
Pats trades: 17, 28 & 92 (1742 points) Arizona trades: 5 & 133 (1740 points)
Pats picks: 5, 33, 60, 74, 124, 133, 156, 184

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The Pats have 17 and 28 which equals 1600+ points which is good enough to move up for a 5 or 6 pick....that is a simple draft scenario without any further movement

SamBamsFan said:

I read the tweet, vague is the best way to describe it. Don't get your hopes about moving into the top 10. We have a decade of background about Belichek drafts. The most he ever has traded to move up is a mid 3rd round selection. Ever. Using our first third round pick will bring us up from 17 to about 13, our 28 to about 19, and our 33 to about 21.

This is just the front office doing their diligence, predraft, in case they see someone they like falling. JMO.

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Box_O_Rocks said:

Yep, every year NE is looking to move up for the big score, and every year people are moaning and whining because NE traded back. It happens every Spring.

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Only thing, though, is that the Pats don't always have to ammunition to trade way up in the draft without giving up future first round picks. The Pats have that ammunition this year. IMO, it's either going to be for Miller or Dareus. I can't see us trading up to get a WR.

patsfaninpa said:

Your nickel back plays about 75pct of the plays these days. Peterson would be doing that his rookie year. And, starting his 2nd year. Bodden playing the nickel in 2012.

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I'd be OK with this if they thought they could trade Bodden. Bodden, McCourty, and Peterson @ his likely draft spot is a huge percentage of cap room to devote to cornerbacks -- and there will be at least two others, probably Butler and that guy from the practice squad.

I'm just wondering if it's something like this:

17 + 60 for Washington's #10. There is a lot of talent for NEP and they need starters not depth.

Then maybe 28 trade down to 35 and Cincy's 2nd next year.

from 17 to 10 Washington

for Kerrigan and we get to sign him for 6 years

Would be a terrible reach for Kerrigan at 10.

patsinthesnow said:

Isn't Von Miller way to small to play 3-4 OLB? Plus trading up THAT high is too costly.

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Costly in terms of a contract too.

If the rookie cap was already in place, then sure.

SamBamsFan said:

Sam @ black board after class...

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b72s said:

from 17 to 10 Washington

for Kerrigan and we get to sign him for 6 years

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Kerrigan will be drafted VERY close to #17 IMO

Going up to 10 to get him is a no-no

Now if they want to trade up 2 or 3 spots to 15 or 14,for example then O.K.

I have predicted that they would move up a few spots to get Cam Jordon.

I did this because I cannot see them moving up high enough to take Miller or Miller dropping down below #5.

Having said that, it's been 20+ years since I've done a back flip. But if they get Miller, I may try.
Even though I'm sure to end up in a full body cast, it will be worth it.

PATSNUTme said:

I have predicted that they would move up a few spots to get Cam Jordon.

I did this because I cannot see them moving up high enough to take Miller or Miller dropping down below #5.

Having said that, it's been 20+ years since I've done a back flip. But if they get Miller, I may try.
Even though I'm sure to end up in a full body cast, it will be worth it.

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I am with you nut

I think Miller has all the intangibles to be a Willie McGinest type on this defense.....maybe even better because while Willie took about 5 years to become dominant,Miller can go in as a rookie and do it right away.

Giving up 17 and 28 to trade up is only worthwhile if its going up to 5 for Miller IMO

PATRIOTSFANINPA said:

I am with you nut

I think Miller has all the intangibles to be a Willie McGinest type on this defense.....maybe even better because while Willie took about 5 years to become dominant,Miller can go in as a rookie and do it right away.

Giving up 17 and 28 to trade up is only worthwhile if its going up to 5 for Miller IMO

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I have never been sold on Miller, I've watched him play live a few times, he he really hasn't "flashed" maybe it's just me, but I'm not sold on him, I would take Quinn anyday.

FreeTedWilliams said:

I have never been sold on Miller, I've watched him play live a few times, he he really hasn't "flashed" maybe it's just me, but I'm not sold on him, I would take Quinn anyday.

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Maybe you will change your mind a little after checking out these highlights

YouTube - Texas A&M Von Miller Highlights

His speed off the edge is extremely impressive....don't know if that will translate to the pros because guys like Vernon Gholston looked dominant before he was drafted and then failed as a pro,but I like what I have seen of Miller and that video shows him at his best.

FreeTedWilliams said:

I have never been sold on Miller, I've watched him play live a few times, he he really hasn't "flashed" maybe it's just me, but I'm not sold on him, I would take Quinn anyday.

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A couple of draft guru's have said Miller is a rare player and compares to the late Derrick Thomas.

I have seen him play a couple of times against some very good teams and he showed me that burst that most players don't have. He was slowed down by an ankle injury for more than midway this past season. But he showed that same stuff for the last 4 games & bowl games that he showed as a junior.

But I don't think the Patriots will be willing to give up the price for any one player that it will take to get Miller.

b72s said:

from 17 to 10 Washington

for Kerrigan and we get to sign him for 6 years

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I just puked.

PATSNUTme said:

A couple of draft guru's have said Miller is a rare player and compares to the late Derrick Thomas.

I have seen him play a couple of times against some very good teams and he showed me that burst that most players don't have. He was slowed down by an ankle injury for more than midway this past season. But he showed that same stuff for the last 4 games & bowl games that he showed as a junior.

But I don't think the Patriots will be willing to give up the price for any one player that it will take to get Miller.

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Then they'd have to pay him if no rookie salary cap was agreed to. I don't think they'd like paying out so much money for One pick.