Reiss reporting Jarvis Green to be cut by Denver...

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fgssand said:

You say we are desperate and jarvis is done.............

Well, maybe the Broncos cut him because Jarvis could not beat out the younger Ryan Mcbean. Ryan had lots of upside when he came in but was short on experience - looks to me like he came into his own. Does not mean Jarvis cannot still play at a high level.

I think we can sure use Jarvis and I trust that BB knows what he has left in the tank.

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2009 happened, sorry. Green was terrible. 2008 happened, too. Green wasn't much good then, either.

As for trusting BB, he brought back Burgess. I'll pass on blind trust, thanks.

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fillylabinga said:

...answering someone else's question, but hey...

I think you cut one of either Deaderick or Love. Probably Love.

As of today, Jarvis Green has to be considered a better DE for the Pats system than Brace, Deaderick or Love. There is no way Brace is getting cut since he's a 2nd round pick only a year ago and he showed enough in the preseason to suggest he's a better DE than NT.

I like the upside of having a lot of young DLs on the roster, but given that the Pats have lost Seymour and Warren in consecutive years and have some question marks with the new guys (is G. Warren any good?) I would favor continuity. Better to bring Jarvis back.

Come to think of it, it was a big surprise that Love even made the roster. I wouldn't be surprised if McD told BB Green was getting cut in advance so he had this roster spot ready for him.

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See, I don't agree with that at all. I don't see the sense in getting rid of a guy who could possibly help move Big Vince out to DE and I don't see the sense in getting of the guy who looked like the only competent DE against both the run and the pass in the preseason. Not to mention we started Jarvis at DE last season and the results were not exactly what you would call ideal. He was always a liability against the run, but he was also non-existant in the pass rush. I don't see the sense in getting of two guys with lots of upside for a guy on the downslope of his career.

We have strengthened our defense front this off-season. Mike Wright is fine. At no point last year did I wish we still had Jarvis Green, so the move would make no sense to this club.

Galjen89 said:

We have strengthened our defense front this off-season. Mike Wright is fine. At no point last year did I wish we still had Jarvis Green, so the move would make no sense to this club.

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Well, they did have Jarvis Green on the team last year and I see he made quite an impression on you. Easy mistake, he had no impact whatsoever.

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Deus Irae said:

2009 happened, sorry. Green was terrible. 2008 happened, too. Green wasn't much good then, either.

As for trusting BB, he brought back Burgess. I'll pass on blind trust, thanks.

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You lose me and in my opinion, your credibilty, when you only bring up BB's mistakes. I think his record speaks for itself - can you name another coach you would rather have??

fgssand said:

You say we are desperate and jarvis is done.............

Well, maybe the Broncos cut him because Jarvis could not beat out the younger Ryan Mcbean. Ryan had lots of upside when he came in but was short on experience - looks to me like he came into his own. Does not mean Jarvis cannot still play at a high level.

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He couldn't beat out LeKevin Smith as a backup this pre-season either. I like LeKevin, but combined with last year's drop-off in play, I'm not inclined to have Jarvis as a pass-rushing specialist.

Deus Irae said:

2009 happened, sorry. Green was terrible. 2008 happened, too. Green wasn't much good then, either.

As for trusting BB, he brought back Burgess. I'll pass on blind trust, thanks.

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Meh. Avoiding blind trust is a bit of a truism. Belichik brought Burgess back onto the 80-man roster for a $100K tryout. After seeing what Burgess had to offer, BB cut him rather than pay him a $1M salary. Sounds like he's neither blind nor undeserving of our trust on this count at least.

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fgssand said:

You lose me and in my opinion, your credibilty, when you only bring up BB's mistakes. I think his record speaks for itself - can you name another coach you would rather have??

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1.) It's kind of ridiculous for you to expect a litany of successful moves when I'm responding to your line

I think we can sure use Jarvis and I trust that BB knows what he has left in the tank.

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in disagreement. The obvious reason for pointing out a mistake is to rebut your contention.

2.) Whether or not I'd rather have another coach is irrelevant, and nothing but a red herring. However, given that I've repeatedly said that BB is the best in the business, it's also a non-issue.

3.) If, after last year, you still "trust that BB knows....", the lost credibility is yours. This team's front office maneuvering absolutely pitiful last year, and we've seen several screw ups already this season.

pencilneckgeek said:

Meh. Avoiding blind trust is a bit of a truism. Belichik brought Burgess back onto the 80-man roster for a $100K tryout. After seeing what Burgess had to offer, BB cut him rather than pay him a $1M salary. Sounds like he's neither blind nor undeserving of our trust on this count at least.

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Burgess sucked last year. Bringing him back was a terrible decision. However, the "blind trust" comment was regarding posters' attitude towards BB, not BB's attitude towards players.


And if you don't think that the homers here just rubber stamp BB's decisions, you haven't been reading many threads.

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Deus Irae said:

2009 happened, sorry. Green was terrible. 2008 happened, too. Green wasn't much good then, either.

As for trusting BB, he brought back Burgess. I'll pass on blind trust, thanks.

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You lose faith in BBs decision making because he CUT the guy who is done? Can you explain that one?

Green's role was as an inside pass rush specialist.

I doubt Bill has gotten rid of that role.

But if he has someone else that can do it as well or better for
cheap money then it was nice having you Jarvis ... enjoy the simple life.

IcyPatriot said:

Green's role was as an inside pass rush specialist.

I doubt Bill has gotten rid of that role.

But if he has someone else that can do it as well or better for
cheap money then it was nice having you Jarvis ... enjoy the simple life.

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Well, last year he played a lot of base 34 DE.
He isnt an answer to anything, and I dont see where he would get any snaps. You would have to cut Pryor or Deadrick. Love is the backup NT because Brace and Wright are playing elsewhere.
I dont think cutting Pryor or Deadrick on the hope Green resurrects his 2006 self for the 150 snaps he might get is prudent.
But, an inside pass rusher, who would actually do a good job would be a welcome addition.

Theres only a five taclke difference between the Green that was thought to be a very good Sub to the Green people on here are c/o about. BB didn't cut Green, he chose not to re-sign him. It could be that BB didn't think he was worth the money Green was looking for, but would have kept him if he was still under contract.

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Deus Irae said:

1.) It's kind of ridiculous for you to expect a litany of successful moves when I'm responding to your line



in disagreement. The obvious reason for pointing out a mistake is to rebut your contention.

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I still stand by what I said............nobody comes close to getting it right most of the time, nobody.

BB does it better than all the rest and because of that fact, the odds for success with his gambles or judgemental decisions are lower than all the rest.

I'll put my money on BB anytime - homer or not.

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KontradictioN said:

Heatster, who would you cut to make room for Jarvis? Just out of curiosity...

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Well, I'm not looking at a roster at the moment, and there's been a lot of comings and goings, but off the top of my head, I'd probably chance Kyle Love to the practice squad.

I get your point, but with our depth issues on the DL, I'd certainly feel more comfortable with him playing right now than guys like Love or Deaderick. By week 8 or so, Maybe I'd feel different.

Of course, I haven't watched Green this year, and I suppose it's possible that he just sucks. Most people have the feeling that he must suck because the Broncos gave him that Potentially large contract and still cut him. But the other side is that McDaniels certainly watched New England last year, and if Green really sucked, he wouldn't have gotten that potentially large contract in the first place.

I think it was just a "dollars outweigh job description" issue.

reflexblue said:

Theres only a five taclke difference between the Green that was thought to be a very good Sub to the Green people on here are c/o about. BB didn't cut Green, he chose not to re-sign him. It could be that BB didn't think he was worth the money Green was looking for, but would have kept him if he was still under contract.

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Tackle stats don't tell much, but if you are comparing how many tackles he got playing behind Warren and Seymour to last year with no Seymour and Warren playing a lot less than normal, he should have made a lot more tackles in 09 than ever before, not 5 less.

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fgssand said:

I still stand by what I said............nobody comes close to getting it right most of the time, nobody.

BB does it better than all the rest and because of that fact, the odds for success with his gambles or judgemental decisions are lower than all the rest.

I'll put my money on BB anytime - homer or not.

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I agree, but then again, I'm considered a homer exactly because of this reasoning. Of course, trusting BB makes me right more often than those who doubt him.

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dryheat44 said:

Well, I'm not looking at a roster at the moment, and there's been a lot of comings and goings, but off the top of my head, I'd probably chance Kyle Love to the practice squad.

I get your point, but with our depth issues on the DL, I'd certainly feel more comfortable with him playing right now than guys like Love or Deaderick. By week 8 or so, Maybe I'd feel different.

Of course, I haven't watched Green this year, and I suppose it's possible that he just sucks. Most people have the feeling that he must suck because the Broncos gave him that Potentially large contract and still cut him. But the other side is that McDaniels certainly watched New England last year, and if Green really sucked, he wouldn't have gotten that potentially large contract in the first place.

I think it was just a "dollars outweigh job description" issue.

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Being the Devils Advocate to your argument:

Love appears to be the #2 NT, because Brace and Wright are occupied elsewhere, with big roles at DE.
That leaves Pryor or Deadrick to cut, and between them they figure to see no more than 200-300 snaps all season. Is it worth getting rid of a young developing guy to get an old declining one for 200-300 snaps?

I could probably be persuaded to either side of this one. And in the end, it won't much matter in the big picture.

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fgssand said:

I still stand by what I said............nobody comes close to getting it right most of the time, nobody.

BB does it better than all the rest and because of that fact, the odds for success with his gambles or judgemental decisions are lower than all the rest.

I'll put my money on BB anytime - homer or not.

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Why bother posting on a message board, then? Every thread can simply be answered "I'll put my money on BB anytime", so there's no real need for you to post.

I'd be all over this!

Maybe BB thinks the ship has sailed, but I thought we were scary for depth at DE and it'd be good to have some continuity and (I thought) talent. Interesting to see where this goes.

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Deus Irae said:

Why bother posting on a message board, then? Every thread can simply be answered "I'll put my money on BB anytime", so there's no real need for you to post.

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Or better still, start a site deusiraefans.com and stay there.