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Guys and gals you must understand just how upset the media is.
Despite their best efforts to destroy him Bill Belichick is still standing and still continues to thumb his nose at and ignore our corrupt
agenda driven local/national media.
This is upsetting to the mediots! This is hilarious to me! ...and should be to you.
I have no more trust in the media (sports or otherwise) than Belichick or 99.9% of the people who must deal with them have.
The collective media is not trustworthy or honest yet they sit in judgement of others?? Simply hilarious!
I don't really think mediots have any idea how little respect they garner with any segment of the population.


Here, Here...well said! :rocker:
 
To me, the story will be how these media idiots have reacted like a witch hunt lynch mob...THAT will be the real story..and Ryan, who WAS a good writer has now been reduced to just another thug.. I agree.. the media in general should be getting trashed, from the absolute ZERO ethics of the Herald to the gangs that attack to divert attention, wanting the people to forget that.. IT is the fraternity of media self appointed moralists...but ahat they fail to understand is that readers ARE smart!! Can see WHAT they are doing...Ryan is just a hack..just ANOTHER older one who KNOWS better..but has NO ethics, morals, or guts to do the right thing....
 
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The one theme all of these types of stories are completely dependent on being true, IRONICALLY, is that Bill Belichick lied. That he lied about not knowing how the rules should be applied. But Belichick didnt do anything different than any good trial lawyer would have done. He applied the language of a rule, and its incredibly VAGUE wording, and he ran with it in the direction he chose fit. He did NOT use the tapes on gameday. To still write articles suggesting otherwise is to flat out call Bill Belichick a LIAR. How do these guys grow balls big enough to flat out call someone a two-faced liar like this?? Someone with as much credibility as Bob Ryan? And obviously many, many others. How is it so hard to fathom that BB was exploiting some hideously weak wording just BEGGING to be taken advantage of? Not to be used during the "PLAYING OF THE GAME". Why is that brief assembly of words so difficult for intelligent people to understand?

Journalism in our country continues to be a JUDGE and JURY exercise. Belichick has never admitted to lying about abusing the rule. He's basically admitted to being a stubborn, arrogant old man who refused to change his ways despite fair warning. He thought he was above the law. They never once tried to hide anything, OBVIOUSLY. Having your man get busted on the sidelines in broad daylight is about all the proof anyone needs. Bob Ryan of all people should understand that people make mistakes. And now he's simply another example who's flat accused our guy of being nothing more than a liar. Good for him. Enjoy your Christmas card, Bob. Not.
 
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Ryan has made the same conflation that so many writers have made, and ignored that even if, for the sake of argument, the Patriots were the only team videotaping signals from the sidelines, they were assuredly not the only team watching the other team's signals and coaches for a clue they could use in a game. Not a chance--and Goodell said as much in his press conference the other day. So have numerous other coaches and players and staff.

So what he should actually be asking is whether the Patriots preparation helped them to win slightly more (1/10 of 1%?!) than the other teams' tacitly licit but surely covert and unsportsmanlike conduct during this same period? In other words, whose gamesmanship/"cheating" was more efficient? More effective? More successful?

Of course, putting it in such a manner removes the melodrama that allows Ryan to pontificate.

(Where was he during the 80s, to drum up ill-will and suspicion against the sainted Red Auerbach for more than two decades of suspected chicanery and gamesmanship in order to receive a slight edge over the Celtics' opponents?)
 
Is this the same media that voted BB coach of the year?? We're not talking about dna here.
 
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..a punishment he accepted with more dignity than any of them can apparently accept their's with. Somehow to them it is disingenuous to contend that Bill misinterpreted a rule, but perfectly reasonable to contend that Tomase's merely made a poor choice in verbiage...

Good point MO..
 
Ryan has made the same conflation that so many writers have made, and ignored that even if, for the sake of argument, the Patriots were the only team videotaping signals from the sidelines, they were assuredly not the only team watching the other team's signals and coaches for a clue they could use in a game. Not a chance--and Goodell said as much in his press conference the other day. So have numerous other coaches and players and staff.

So what he should actually be asking is whether the Patriots preparation helped them to win slightly more (1/10 of 1%?!) than the other teams' tacitly licit but surely covert and unsportsmanlike conduct during this same period? In other words, whose gamesmanship/"cheating" was more efficient? More effective? More successful?

Of course, putting it in such a manner removes the melodrama that allows Ryan to pontificate.

(Where was he during the 80s, to drum up ill-will and suspicion against the sainted Red Auerbach for more than two decades of suspected chicanery and gamesmanship in order to receive a slight edge over the Celtics' opponents?)

kolbitr, you're making the same mistake many other fans have made. You're thinking the media's take on this is somehow related to the actual events, i.e. the videotaping, etc. That's not what's going on here and Ryan's hilarious Watergate analogy and pathetic reference to BB's personal life (The Globe's Daddy of the Year should get his own family life in order before taking shots at anyone else) should tell you that.
The media's obsession with this story has little to do with an NFL rule that BB broke and everything to do with Bill Belichick refusing to bow down and kiss the mediots collective a**.
If ANY other NFL coach had been caught breaking the same rule the story is over in a week.
Btw you're right on about Red Auerbach. But here's another great irony. The very Red Auerbach guys like Ryan loved so much would have loved Bill Belichick and his MO. Cut from the same genius cloth.
Maybe Belichick's real sin is that he doesn't invite these mediots to eat his chinese food???? ;)
 
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They don't get it: WE LIKE OUR COACH.

They can't stand the status he holds in the region among the fans, a status that IMo will grow as more people realize how this team and coach have been unjustly persecuted.

The shots they are taking at BB are no different than the shots the Boston media took at Ted Williams. The columnists who make them will all be forgotten, or remembered as examples of yellow journalism.

Sometimes writers want to be the "stars" of the town, and resent a man with more cache than they could ever dream of possessing. Envy is a sin.
 
What a negative article.
Get a new job bobbie.
 
People shouldn't freak out over the writings of these losers. Remember this, these are guys who have made hanging out in men's dressing rooms a career choice.
 
Re: Now Bob Ryan is piling on BB..

The one theme all of these types of stories are completely dependent on being true, IRONICALLY, is that Bill Belichick lied. That he lied about not knowing how the rules should be applied. But Belichick didnt do anything different than any good trial lawyer would have done. He applied the language of a rule, and its incredibly VAGUE wording, and he ran with it in the direction he chose fit. He did NOT use the tapes on gameday. To still write articles suggesting otherwise is to flat out call Bill Belichick a LIAR. How do these guys grow balls big enough to flat out call someone a two-faced liar like this?? Someone with as much credibility as Bob Ryan? And obviously many, many others. How is it so hard to fathom that BB was exploiting some hideously weak wording just BEGGING to be taken advantage of? Not to be used during the "PLAYING OF THE GAME". Why is that brief assembly of words so difficult for intelligent people to understand?

Journalism in our country continues to be a JUDGE and JURY exercise. Belichick has never admitted to lying about abusing the rule. He's basically admitted to being a stubborn, arrogant old man who refused to change his ways despite fair warning. He thought he was above the law. They never once tried to hide anything, OBVIOUSLY. Having your man get busted on the sidelines in broad daylight is about all the proof anyone needs. Bob Ryan of all people should understand that people make mistakes. And now he's simply another example who's flat accused our guy of being nothing more than a liar. Good for him. Enjoy your Christmas card, Bob. Not.

"Judge & Jury"...Man, hasn't the Boston sports media always believed they had that power & that right?

I think more than ever, we as fans need to unite. Especially we as Patriots fans! We need to make sure Belichik is NEVER "driven" out of this town by media punks who believe they know "what's good for us". Look at what they did to Rick Pitino! He should have been let go regardless, but Ryan and his gang made sure life for Pitino was miserable until he was gone.

Our voice needs to be as powerful if not more so than our Media in New England. PatsFanInVA and Pony's FRAMe site project is just the beginning. We need to hold these guy accountable with a tight fist around their necks.
 
My God, was he crying as he typed it ?? What a pansy ! Who cares what ANYONE else says, who the hell knows what Kraft is feeling, who's to say he's not pissed at the world for the way they've treated his coach that's done the time but still had to deal with a lie for months. I say this has hardened the resolve of the Patriots Org, the way they've streamlined everything to insure compliance to league rules is an example. All these people talking about how disappointed Kraft is in Belichick, but where are they getting that from ? That's right speculation based on how they think he should feel. The media's been doing such a good job at that lately huh ?
 
Another example of the media elitist mindset. What they think is all important. What the average fan thinks means nothing.

Have fun sitting around the table sipping wine with your media buddies Bob. The rest of the fans are really starting o move on.
 
People shouldn't freak out over the writings of these losers. Remember this, these are guys who have made hanging out in men's dressing rooms a career choice.

I don't think anyone has been freaking out. They write their tripe and we rightfully respond back to them....which they hate!!!!!!!!!!
The old media (print, TV) hate this new interactive world where we have a voice and don't think for a minute they don't hear us.
They do hear us and they hate it! You think Squeaky Mazz would have written a column insulting us fans if we didn't have a voice he heard loud and clear? Of course not!
The media yearns to return to their old media world when the earth was flat and the only voices heard and opinions expressed were theirs.
Maybe we can get them to hold their collective mediot breath waiting for that to happen?? :D
 
E-mail to Bob Ryan

Sent to Mr. Ryan this morning ...


Bob,

You state that the cover-up is the problem. Well, what exactly is it that is being covered up? No one from the league has suggested that the Patriots were anything but forthcoming in the investigation that followed the Estrella incident at the Meadowlands. Indeed, Roger Goodell himself indicated that Matt Walsh revealed exactly nothing that the commissioner did not know already. There is not a single shred of evidence to support (much less prove) any of the wild accusations that have circulated since last September, accusations that many media outlets have been all to happy to promote and sensationalize at every opportunity.

What Belichick did was wrong. He has taken responsibility and apologized. He paid his fine without appeal or public complaint. I'm not sure what else he is supposed to do.

Belichick clearly explained the rationale for his actions. He cited a passage in the constitution and bylaws to support his reasoning. Now you and others (including the commissioner) may not agree with his position, but to suggest that Belichick's explanation is a lie requires that one person truly knows what another was thinking. I doubt that you could make that claim with a straight face and neither could Roger Goddell. (That anti-Semitic kook Gregg Easterbrook is another story).

Or else you have to actually believe Matt Walsh. The willingness of the press to embrace the ramblings of Walsh as gospel says a lot more about the objectivity of the media than anything else. I guess it makes a better story if Walsh is right.

The mention of Belichick's personal life is gratuitous and you know it. Comparing Belichick to Nixon is not only tired (see Easterbrook), it's lazy, sensationalist, and absurd. Tormented? Paranoid? Please. Just how much time have you spent with the man? Press conferences? Is this the sole basis for your profound personal insights?

From a distance, I would say this. Bill Belichick is driven and ultracompetitive. Why did he tape? He did it because he sought an edge (no matter how small) and because it was a more efficient way to scout a football game. He just simply could not let it be, because the same traits that make him successful also lead him to make mistakes (such as this one). That makes him just like the rest of us - you have to take the whole package. .

His love of football and coaching is palpable. He does not suffer fools gladly and my sense is that he has to deal with plenty. I would also guess that he is not at all at ease with people he does not know well; this might manifest itself as "arrogance" but could be that he is just really introverted. But why bother trying to understand someone when you can attach labels ("arrogant, tormented, ...") and make harsh judgments? What kind of a story would that make?

Maybe someone can answer this question for me. If Bill Belichick is as untrustworty and duplicitous as you say, why didn't this team bail on him? Why did they rally around him and work even harder to do what he asked? Because if that team didn't trust him and believe in him, they'd have cut his throat in a heart beat.
 
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their hate has blinded them, there is no reasoning with them.




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Re: E-mail to Bob Ryan

Sent to Mr. Ryan this morning ...


Bob,

You state that the cover-up is the problem. Well, what exactly is it that is being covered up? No one from the league has suggested that the Patriots were anything but forthcoming in the investigation that followed the Estrella incident at the Meadowlands. Indeed, Roger Goodell himself indicated that Matt Walsh revealed exactly nothing that the commissioner did not know already. There is not a single shred of evidence to support (much less prove) any of the wild accusations that have circulated since last September, accusations that many media outlets have been all to happy to promote and sensationalize at every opportunity.

What Belichick did was wrong. He has taken responsibility and apologized. He paid his fine without appeal or public complaint. I'm not sure what else he is supposed to do.

Belichick clearly explained the rationale for his actions. He cited a passage in the constitution and bylaws to support his reasoning. Now you and others (including the commissioner) may not agree with his position, but to suggest that Belichick's explanation is a lie requires that one person truly knows what another was thinking. I doubt that you could make that claim with a straight face and neither could Roger Goddell. (That anti-Semitic kook Gregg Easterbrook is another story).

Or else you have to actually believe Matt Walsh. The willingness of the press to embrace the ramblings of Walsh as gospel says a lot more about the objectivity of the media than anything else. I guess it makes a better story if Walsh is right.

The mention of Belichick's personal life is gratuitous and you know it. Comparing Belichick to Nixon is not only tired (see Easterbrook), it's lazy, sensationalist, and absurd. Tormented? Paranoid? Please. Just how much time have you spent with the man? Press conferences? Is this the sole basis for your profound personal insights?

From a distance, I would say this. Bill Belichick is driven and ultracompetitive. Why did he tape? He did it because he sought an edge (no matter how small) and because it was a more efficient way to scout a football game. He just simply could not let it be, because the same traits that make him successful also lead him to make mistakes (such as this one). That makes him just like the rest of us - you have to take the whole package. .

His love of football and coaching is palpable. He does not suffer fools gladly and my sense is that he has to deal with plenty. I would also guess that he is not at all at ease with people he does not know well; this might manifest itself as "arrogance" but could be that he is just really introverted. But why bother trying to understand someone when you can attach labels ("arrogant, tormented, ...") and make harsh judgments? What kind of a story would that make?

Maybe someone can answer this question for me. If Bill Belichick is as untrustworty and duplicitous as you say, why didn't this team bail on him? Why did they rally around him and work even harder to do what he asked? Because if that team didn't trust him and believe in him, they'd have cut his throat in a heart beat.

Please let us know if you get a response. You're email was excellent and should be appreciated by Ryan who LOVES to wax eloquently!;)
 
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The questions you raised in your post make for an infinitely

more interesting article than the repetitive spew that Ryan wrote.
 
Well Bob Ryan has pretty much shut himself out from any future Patriot press conferences.
 
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Mike Lupica also has a new hate piece up. The headline compared BB to Clemens and Walsh to McNamee. I didn't even bother clicking on it.

In his wildest dreams (or delusions) Clemens wishes McNamee were Walsh. If Walsh is to be believed - on any testimony that was factual and not cherry picked and merely his opinion - Clemens would have been exonerated. Walsh had NOTHING beyond what Belichick had already admitted to. The nanny (Daboll) isn't backing McNamee's (Walsh's) recollections up. The syringes he produced didn't have any residual traces of walkthrough mixed with Belichick DNA on 'em. And Walsh testified he never injected BB with anything more than vitamin B and lidocaine (signals on tapes he never turned over during a game).

Walsh stated he believed (as opposed to knew) that BB lied when he said he misinterpreted the rule. That would be the equivalent of McNamee stating he believed Clemens lied when he said he never intentionally threw that bat at Mike Piazza... An interesting and arguably believable assertion, but it has nothing to do with the cases at hand which revolved around the use of steroids or the filming of an opponents walkthrough.

Like Peter King told Tom E. Curran when he helped him get a national gig, you write for your audience (i.e. ethics and intelligence be damned). Which is the same audience local Boston mediots apparently target.

It's a good thing Al Gore invented the internet and message boards and blogs and whatnot so us yahoo half blind homer locals can write for ourselves and still have something worthwhile to read...
 
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