I Seriously Do Not Think Moss Will Be Back

[slash83]

You guys are like Yankee fans who think Scott Brosius would be a better 3B for them than Arod simply because they won with Scott Brosius at 3B so going back to that must have been the working formula. Seriously, some of the points here are laughable. 18-0 was because of the offense and Randy Moss...and now a better investment would be a 3 headed running attack..LMAO. Its amazing, but after a record breaking season a huge chunk of Pats fans completely undervalue him.

I agree with you, if it wasnt for Randy no way this team would of made the kind of run they did, I bet you if we had won the superbowl fans wouldnt be undervalueing him and saying we should go with a 3 headed running attack. Its fine if you say you dont think he'l be back beacuse the team doesnt want him but dont under estimate the huge impact he had on the offense AND DEFENSE thats just dumb in my opinion.

 

[SammyBlueCat]

Sorry, this thread is unfounded. We do not know the future because there is very little information to analyze at this time of year. We will feature a 3 headed running attack? The wishbone? That would be interesting.

 

[DropKick Flutie]

I don't have ANYTHING to worry about...I know nitwit trolls like you would love to insinuate "worry" into our mindsets, but, as usual,your pathology blinds you to the reality...not only do we not worry,having a Bill Belichick as head coach actually makes us carefree.
Sorry for your make believe life, troll.

Too bad BB doesn't play cornerback.

 

[Satchboogie3]

Find a better slot receiver than Welker ... No.
Find a better RB than Maroney ... No.
Bring in better pass protecting RB's ... No and Why?

If someone can explain to me how Moss would be more effective near the end of the season then I don't see it. If Randy wants to go over the middle more on 10-15 yard routes than for sure bring him back .. otherwise I would much rather see the money spent to shore up our defense ... a defense that has broken down 2 years in a row at the worst possible time.

We don't need to break records to win the Super Bowl again .. we just need more consistency and more depth for the O-Line and youth for the LB's ... Moss is gone IMO ...Stallworth also ... a more potent 2-headed running attack with Faulk as the #3 IMO will prove to be a better investment.

Let me get this straight, you guys don't think Moss is worth it because he didn't have big games in the playoffs?

1. Welker, Gaffney, and Stallworth would NOT have had even close to as much production if Moss wasn't on the field.

You do realize that the reason why Moss didn't have many receptions in the first 2 playoff games is because he is SOO good, the opposing defense refused to let him beat them. That means he was double, triple, quadruple covered ALL the time. That OPENS up the field for the other guys.

In the Superbowl, Moss had 5 receptions for 62 Yds and a TD. He got WIDE open on at least 5 plays, but Brady didn't have the TIME to get the ball to him, or over threw him. Does that mean Moss was useless? I think not... On the 2nd hail marry in the last drive of the SB, Moss blew by the 2 DBs covering him. Let me say that again, Randy Moss blew by 2 DBs who were EXPECTING him to run deep and Brady to get it to his best reciever. Brady just didn't get enough air under the ball.

Unless we are moving south or building a dome I don't see the winter going away. Not having the playoff advantage is not an option so basically we get a great player for most of the season and hopefully the super Bowl if we make it ... there are better ways to spend 6-8 million. We won 3 SB's without Moss ... last I checked anyways.

You do realize that the only reason Moss didn't have much "production" in the first 2 playoff games had NOTHING to do with the weather. The opposing teams game plan was simple, they refused to let Moss beat them. Guess what happens when the other team covers Moss with 2,3,4 guys... OTHERS GET OPEN!!!! And guess what, that happened.

Also, that idea doesn't really make any sense. Playoff wise, they play 2 games in NE, then the SB is elsewhere. So why would the cold matter all that much? Anyways, in the NYG game in week 17, he had 100 yds and 2 TD in the bitter cold.

Moss had arguably the most productive season any WR has ever had. He has great great great great chemistry with Brady. HE IS THE BEST WR TO EVER PLAY FOR THE PATRIOTS. Let me say that again, as I think it is important. RANDY MOSS IS THE BEST WR TO EVER PLAY FOR THE PATRIOTS. Not only that, but most people consider him the 2nd, 2nd Greatest WR of ALL TIME, and you guys don't think he should be on the team?

If you don't think the Patriots WANT him on this team, you need to see a doctor because there is something very wrong with your head.

 

[Disco Volante]

Cliff Notes: We need to re-sign Moss.

 

[Patriotic Fervor]

Unbelievable.

Let's let the prime reason we had the greatest offense in the history of the game walk so we can bring some athletic kids in at linebacker (which Belichick has repeatedly shown his disdain for) and revamp a defense that was ranked 5th in the league last season, and went 9 straight quarters in the post season without giving up a TD, and was literally one play away from winning the Super Bowl and creating history at 19-0.

Yep. That sounds like a formula for success.

Oh, wait - you were just kidding when you posted this thread, weren't you?

Weren't you?

Unbelievable.

 

[DocE]

First off, Randy Moss was excellent in the Super Bowl, but the Oline couldn't hold up long enough to get him the ball. The one time it did in the first half, Brady missed him by 5 yards on what would have been a TD.

You want Randy Moss to run routes 10-15 yards over the middle? He's not built to do that consistently. He's 6'4 and thin and provides a huge target for a safety or linebacker on those routes. Randy made a lot of important catches in the middle of the field this year (see the final scoring drive in the Super Bowl and the Indianapolis game for some examples), but he's going to get hurt if you do that every week.

For some reason, Randy gets blasted for not running multiple routes "over the middle", yet nobody blasts Welker for not running any go routes. It's understood that Welker does no have the size or speed to get by guys deep, so he gets a pass. Why doesn't Randy Moss get the same pass for routes that don't suit his game?

Do you think it's a coincidence that Welker had his best year working out of the slot with Moss on the field with him? D'Wayne Bates had the best year of his career opposite Moss and Nate Burleson looked like a future star. To assume Welker will continue to be a 1,000 yard WR with 100 catches without Moss on the team is probably a bad assumption to make.

In many games, teams decided that they just weren't going to let Moss beat them. It's up to the line to take advantage of only 7 in the box and punish the opposing defense in the run game for that coverage. They couldn't do that in the Super Bowl. Somebody else on the team has to be capable of making an explosive play in the passing game when the Oline can't block a 7 man front. Nobody did that in the Super Bowl. Welker is GREAT at what he does, but until someone gets 25 yards or more downfield (Watson down the seam or Stallworth/Gaffney on the opposite side), no team will change their defense up. Earlier in the year, Watson was a threat and so was Stallworth. If you want to point to a player or player(s) losing it at the end of the year, that's where you should look. If the Oline held up AT ALL in the Super Bowl, I can guarantee this thread wouldn't exist.

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

First off, Randy Moss was excellent in the Super Bowl, but the Oline couldn't hold up long enough to get him the ball. The one time it did in the first half, Brady missed him by 5 yards on what would have been a TD.

You want Randy Moss to run routes 10-15 yards over the middle? He's not built to do that consistently. He's 6'4 and thin and provides a huge target for a safety or linebacker on those routes. Randy made a lot of important catches in the middle of the field this year (see the final scoring drive in the Super Bowl and the Indianapolis game for some examples), but he's going to get hurt if you do that every week.

For some reason, Randy gets blasted for not running multiple routes "over the middle", yet nobody blasts Welker for not running any go routes. It's understood that Welker does no have the size or speed to get by guys deep, so he gets a pass. Why doesn't Randy Moss get the same pass for routes that don't suit his game?

Do you think it's a coincidence that Welker had his best year working out of the slot with Moss on the field with him? D'Wayne Bates had the best year of his career opposite Moss and Nate Burleson looked like a future star. To assume Welker will continue to be a 1,000 yard WR with 100 catches without Moss on the team is probably a bad assumption to make.

In many games, teams decided that they just weren't going to let Moss beat them. It's up to the line to take advantage of only 7 in the box and punish the opposing defense in the run game for that coverage. They couldn't do that in the Super Bowl. Somebody else on the team has to be capable of making an explosive play in the passing game when the Oline can't block a 7 man front. Nobody did that in the Super Bowl. Welker is GREAT at what he does, but until someone gets 25 yards or more downfield (Watson down the seam or Stallworth/Gaffney on the opposite side), no team will change their defense up. Earlier in the year, Watson was a threat and so was Stallworth. If you want to point to a player or player(s) losing it at the end of the year, that's where you should look. If the Oline held up AT ALL in the Super Bowl, I can guarantee this thread wouldn't exist.

finally. it may have been the last post, but someone finally said it. WELKER, would not have had 100+ catches, if moss isnt on the other side of the field being doubled, and tripled by the defense. moss adds too much to our offense, even when he isnt making catches. now with that said, if he's looking for 10 mil a year? see ya randy. but i dont see that happening. brady has already said he WANTS RANDY BACK. i see it happening friday, or sat. he's a patriot for atleast 2 more years.

 

[RayClay]

The more I think about it the more I do not see Randy Moss coming back. I do not think Asante Samuel leaving will help Moss come back either. What could we do differently next year to make Moss more effective near the end of the season?

Find a better slot receiver than Welker ... No.
Find a better RB than Maroney ... No.
Bring in better pass protecting RB's ... No and Why?

If someone can explain to me how Moss would be more effective near the end of the season then I don't see it. If Randy wants to go over the middle more on 10-15 yard routes than for sure bring him back .. otherwise I would much rather see the money spent to shore up our defense ... a defense that has broken down 2 years in a row at the worst possible time.

We don't need to break records to win the Super Bowl again .. we just need more consistency and more depth for the O-Line and youth for the LB's ... Moss is gone IMO ...Stallworth also ... a more potent 2-headed running attack with Faulk as the #3 IMO will prove to be a better investment.

Slam away ...

Use a more balnced offense. Pass happy teams always get defense slammed at crunch time.

We ran more consistently with Antwain smith than we did with Maroney and we'll have Sammy back too.

Pass happy, Pass happy, Pass happy.

It's the easy way out that does not cut it in the post season.

 

[Satchboogie3]

finally. it may have been the last post, but someone finally said it. WELKER, would not have had 100+ catches, if moss isnt on the other side of the field being doubled, and tripled by the defense. moss adds too much to our offense, even when he isnt making catches. now with that said, if he's looking for 10 mil a year? see ya randy. but i dont see that happening. brady has already said he WANTS RANDY BACK. i see it happening friday, or sat. he's a patriot for atleast 2 more years.

I said that posts ago. Moss is the reason why Welker became a pro bowler and Brady had the best QB season ever.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Did you watch the Jacksonville game?? Are you seriously going to fault him for that or even wonder why he only had 1 catch?? Their ENTIRE gameplan was focused on Moss and because of HIM, Brady was able to go 26-28 on short passes that were open all day. You seriously dont think he brought anything to that game?? One could easily argue he was one of the MVPs of that game because he was the sole attention of the Jags offense, they were completely devoted to Moss.

I'm not faulting him at all ...
Just saying there is more than 1 way to catch a fish ... that's all.

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

I said that posts ago. Moss is the reason why Welker became a pro bowler and Brady had the best QB season ever.

my apologies mr. boogie. i must have missed it.
i wish i had seen your post, then i wouldnt have had to read 6 pages of crap about moss. we should all want to keep moss, provided its a reasonable price.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Now, not coincidently, the offense's only time scoring fewer than 20 points was the team's only loss. Also not coincidently, there was a complete collapse of the offensive line in the team's only loss of the season, resulting in 5 sacks and far more pressures and hurries, along with no running lanes for Maroney. Knowing all this, why on earth would anyone think this coaching staff would be looking to return to "old time football"?

Because SB's are won in December and January ... the ability to beat the Colts, Chargers, Jaguars was short sighted ... Belichick will repair that and there is only so much $$$ to spend. Is there more value to the Moss $$$ being spent elsewhere ... it's valid to ask...btw ... we won 3 SB's with old time smash mouth football ... we did.

 

[IcyPatriot]

I agree with you, if it wasnt for Randy no way this team would of made the kind of run they did, I bet you if we had won the superbowl fans wouldnt be undervalueing him and saying we should go with a 3 headed running attack. Its fine if you say you dont think he'l be back beacuse the team doesnt want him but dont under estimate the huge impact he had on the offense AND DEFENSE thats just dumb in my opinion.

You can't say that because you don't know where the Moss $$$ would have been spent ...

 

[IcyPatriot]

Sorry, this thread is unfounded. We do not know the future because there is very little information to analyze at this time of year. We will feature a 3 headed running attack? The wishbone? That would be interesting.

Where the frig did the wishbone come into play here ... that's already been discounted for a few decades now.

 

[Satchboogie3]

Because SB's are won in December and January ... the ability to beat the Colts, Chargers, Jaguars was short sighted ... Belichick will repair that and there is only so much $$$ to spend. Is there more value to the Moss $$$ being spent elsewhere ... it's valid to ask...btw ... we won 3 SB's with old time smash mouth football ... we did.

Right, uh huh... and what was the weather at the Superbowl? It was 72 and clear. Wait a minute, aren't ALL superbowls played down south in warm weather or in domes?

Again, if ANYONE had made a play on that last drive, we wouldn't be having this conversation. The Giants last drive was LUCK. Our offensive line had a bad game. That was the problem. Brady was hurt, our o-line played like crap, yet we still nearly won the game. I don't think we need to change a thing.

 

[Satchboogie3]

You can't say that because you don't know where the Moss $$$ would have been spent ...

You do realize that we probably wouldn't have been 16-0 going into the playoffs without Moss. You do realize that MOSS had the biggest impact on JAX and SD gameplan against us in the playoffs. You do realize that without MOSS, the JAX and SD game would have been MUCH different.

Just get this, #5 defense, 2nd in the league in sacks. GREATEST OFFENSE OF ALL TIME. Is it a coincidence that Moss has been on the top 2 offenses in the history of the NFL...

 

[Deus Irae]

Because SB's are won in December and January ... the ability to beat the Colts, Chargers, Jaguars was short sighted ... Belichick will repair that and there is only so much $$$ to spend. Is there more value to the Moss $$$ being spent elsewhere ... it's valid to ask...btw ... we won 3 SB's with old time smash mouth football ... we did.

They beat the Giants too, or have you forgotten that already? The problem wasn't the lack of 'old time smash mouth football', the problem was the offensive line didn't show up to play. Try watching a game, for crying out loud. You can't run the football if the offensive line plays as poorly as the New England line did in the Super Bowl. It had nothing to do with Moss or the defense. An offensive line with 3 pro bowl talents simply had its worst game of the season, and not all the "elsewhere" in the world is going to change that.

 

[PatsFan24]

get moss to a long term deal 4-5 years. then tag someone else

 

[Pats726]

I do think Moss is needed back...the offense was potent, but also think another RB along with Maroney and Morris is needed. In that way, the ground attack especially inside will become a bit of a force. The latter part of the season, it wasn't really there. Moss is one player that will help the team, by not making catches..as if teh D throws a player or two on him, it frees up others to get the ball.
But why do won't he be back? I can understand Stallworth...and Washington and what they had in their contracts going forward...in fact, I would be happy if they negotiated to have DS back at a lesser price.
It will be interesting, but I see Moss as part of the offensive solution in the future..but one never knows what CoachB/pioli think.