briz's new 5 round pats mock

[BRiZ]

Again, don't conflate salary cap with actual money paid. The actual salary cap hit for Washington is under $2M. I'm not arguing that he is (or isn't) worth the $, just that you have to consider all the variables.

Also, don't forget that the Pats might renegotiate with him to get a (slightly) more attractive deal in place.

thats for next year but in 09, 010 ect it gets to be around 3 mill range. Thats not acceptable unless he is contributing on offense imo, i just dont see how he cracks Moss/Welker/Jackson/Gaffney(and Stall if they keep him) anytime soon. They will have to dish out 4 million bonus for 08, i just dont see them giving him that for special teams contributions but i could be wrong.

You're right they could restructure him, Stallworth too.

 

[DW Toys]

DW - James Sanders is a damn good young player. As is Meriweather. Sorry that I don't buy into the idea that the Pats NEED another safety with Harrison still under contract. They could add one, but its not a need.

As for this stupid idea of yours of trading Kaczur to the Ravens, I think you have Kaczur confused with someone else. Kaczur is hardly young. He turns 29 this summer.

Now, about Silva in comparison to Sanders. Silva is about half an inch taller (5'10 6/8" to 5'11 2/8). Sanders is around 220. Silva is about 205. Sanders ran a 4.62- 40 with a 4.12 20 yard shuttle and a 7.12 3-cone. Silva runs in the 4.54-4.68 range. It remains to be seen what his shuttle and 3-cone times are. So, I'd say you are talking out your rear end quite a bit.

As for Tamme, the Patriots have 4 TEs under contract for next year. Spach, Brady, Watson, Thomas. Tamme is 6'3 6/8 and 234 lbs. That is LIGHT for a Patriots TE. He's also a poor route runner and not a great blocker. While you mention UK's running game, you fail to mention that Tamme was lined up more as a wide-out than as a tradition TE. To top it off, Tamme has shoulder issues.

President DaBruinz-I respect you positions and opinion. I didn't realize you are smarter than all the other fans who write into this site. I will watch my tongue. It's amazing how many people can shout down another person who might suggest their own comment and opinion. It shows very average intelligence on the shutees' part. One might call them boorish.

You win! Your right! Everything You said was 100% correct and all of my own opinions were wrong even if they are my own. Damn!
To all who view the NE Pats Forum....I was wrong and deserve all of this misery. Please accept my apology.

Is there a site for dumb fans like me with their own opinion that I can visit? I like to find all of the "stupid idea" folks and band together so we don't insult the intellect of people like this gentleman. I didn't realize you work for the Pats F.A......Say, you're not really B.B. are you?

Let's take a vote all you other "stupids". Has James Sanders wowed you? Can he tackle? Can he make plays? Can he cover? His "4.62" translates to a 5.0 on the field in my opinion....Opps!

Friend, can you at least give the less informed and those unfortunates with less-than-your-superb-intellect responders, a chance to at least suggest our views?

I am not wrong about Sanders so nini-nini ha,ha! Then lets get rid of the old dude Kaczur. Do some investigating and see what Whitten weighed when drafted by the Cowboys. What was Thomas 240-245 at Texas?

I'd hate to go to a party and say something that you don't agree with! And finally what's coming out my ass Mr.Pompous, is that if Silva can be had in the late rounds he could be a decent pick up. I, and this is just my opinion so don't yell at my other "Stupids" out there, think he would play better than Sanders, but then again what do I know. Certainly not more than you. You win!
DW Toys

 

[BRiZ]

Oh btw DB congrats on winning the FF league.

Like the Pats though not always does the best team win. My team was the best i had the #1 seed! You were like the #5 seed but you were hot hot hot going in the playoffs. Same thing happened to me in Alans ESPN league, he won with #5 seed and i lost at the #1 seed. What killed me was the week we played the Jets in that snowstorm, Brady and Moss did nothing for me and i got bounced. I think everyone that had Brady had the #1 seed but lost in the playoff lol. Its gunna be weird seeing Brady be the #1 pick next year in FF drafts, kinda cool.

 

[BRiZ]

President DaBruinz-I respect you positions and opinion. I didn't realize you are smarter than all the other fans who write into this site. I will watch my tongue. It's amazing how many people can shout down another person who might suggest their own comment and opinion. It shows very average intelligence on the shutees' part. One might call them boorish.

You win! Your right! Everything You said was 100% correct and all of my own opinions were wrong even if they are my own. Damn!
To all who view the NE Pats Forum....I was wrong and deserve all of this misery. Please accept my apology.

Is there a site for dumb fans like me with their own opinion that I can visit? I like to find all of the "stupid idea" folks and band together so we don't insult the intellect of people like this gentleman. I didn't realize you work for the Pats F.A......Say, you're not really B.B. are you?

Let's take a vote all you other "stupids". Has James Sanders wowed you? Can he tackle? Can he make plays? Can he cover? His "4.62" translates to a 5.0 on the field in my opinion....Opps!

Friend, can you at least give the less informed and those unfortunates with less-than-your-superb-intellect responders, a chance to at least suggest our views?

I am not wrong about Sanders so nini-nini ha,ha! Then lets get rid of the old dude Kaczur. Do some investigating and see what Whitten weighed when drafted by the Cowboys. What was Thomas 240-245 at Texas?

I'd hate to go to a party and say something that you don't agree with! And finally what's coming out my ass Mr.Pompous, is that if Silva can be had in the late rounds he could be a decent pick up. I, and this is just my opinion so don't yell at my other "Stupids" out there, think he would play better than Sanders, but then again what do I know. Certainly not more than you. You win!
DW Toys

heeheehee

 

[TheKraftyOne]

Briz -
You might want to do more research.

Gooden missed all of 2005 with a dislocated shoulder. He missed games in 2004 with shoulder issues. He missed games in 2006 because of a concussion.

The guy is injury prone.

He's not injury prone...you didn't write anything about 2003!

 

[BRiZ]

He's not injury prone...you didn't write anything about 2003!

and you didnt write anything about 2007.

 

[BradyToMoss]

James Sanders, he's a nice kid, a quiet kid, comes in, does his job, stays out of trouble, doesn't talk and goes home.

A "Steady Eddie"....Avoid the deep stuff, hang in my zone, be cautious, and support the run after initial contact has already been made by one of the LBs.

I call him "Par 4" Sanders.

You know he's a "nice" player. That's fine, I have nothing against him. Look, the kid was 4th round dice roll out of Fresno State, a BB confidant's phone call recommendation, the kid has turned out ok.

I need more out of my starting safety, I'm sorry, but I need the Brandon Meriweather, Kenny Phillips playmaker types out of my starting back-2 with this said, I believe James is currently on the highest point of his "upside bow".
What we've seen is all we are really going to get. Is it bad, no it's not. Matter of fact, I'm sure there are probably 22 other teams in the league that could make due with James as their starting safety. Me, I just can't, on this team, James is a big nickle/dime starter only, he's not in that core-11.

 

[TheKraftyOne]

and you didnt write anything about 2007.

Yes I did, I said he was injury prone and he is.

 

[BRiZ]

Yes I did, I said he was injury prone and he is.

wrong.....

 

[TheKraftyOne]

wrong.....

Others say it too. Walterfootball.com:


Tavares Gooden, Miami
Height: 6-1. Weight: 233.
40 Time: 4.41.
Projected Round: 3.
Tavares Gooden's workouts will have scouts salivating, but the coaches won't be so impressed. First of all, Gooden's not that productive. In fact, he started just four of the 10 games he played in last year. Secondly, he's very injury-prone. Still, his combine numbers may propel him into the second or third round (see Chris Henry, circa April 2007).

 

[BRiZ]

Others say it too. Walterfootball.com:


Tavares Gooden, Miami
Height: 6-1. Weight: 233.
40 Time: 4.41.
Projected Round: 3.
Tavares Gooden's workouts will have scouts salivating, but the coaches won't be so impressed. First of all, Gooden's not that productive. In fact, he started just four of the 10 games he played in last year. Secondly, he's very injury-prone. Still, his combine numbers may propel him into the second or third round (see Chris Henry, circa April 2007).

and others are wrong, just like you are wrong. Gooden started every game last year and was not injured, and he led the team in tackles.

 

[DaBruinz]

Briz and his love affair with the name Cromartie continues...

Yea we should have drafted Antonio like i said.

First off, there was no way for the Pats to draft Cromartie as he was taken in the 1st round at the 19th pick by San Diego. Secondly, the Pats wouldn't have been able to draft MARONEY if they'd taken Cromartie. And, I'm sorry, but Cromartie isn't near the player that Maroney is.

Sorry, Briz, but Colvin's not getting cut. He'll restructure his contract.

Probably, but i would cut him and get Taylor.

[/I]

Taylor isn't available. No matter what you think.

Why would the Pats cut Washington? He was arguably their best gunner and now, with the likelihood that Andrews is cut because of the drug charges (unless he's found innocent), the Pats would be starting over with 2 brand new gunners. I don't see it happening.

Cause Washinton costs 4-5 mill and that is too much for a special teams player and 4th-5th WR. Hes not going to see anytime on offense with Moss/Welker/Jackson.

[/I]

Again, you don't have your facts straight. Washington would cost less than 2 million.

Also, I think you are out of your gourd if you think that Parcells is going to trade Taylor to the Pats for a 3rd round pick.

There time on trading Taylor is running out. What do you think they are gunna get for him a 1st or 2nd at his age? Yea they may keep him and he retires a fish but that would suck for Taylor, he deserves a shot at a ring, he aint getting that in Miami.

[/I]

You're a fool if you think that Parcells is going to trade Taylor at all. That's the point.

As for Gooden, What makes you think he'll be able to come in and be able to play in the 3-4? Also, he has major durability issues.

I think he can play on the weakside inside in the 3-4, hes just barely big enough, he is no Vilma. Hes an ILB hes also played OLB, hes played all linebacker positions. I view him morely as a special teams ace and depth inside. He could start but i eventually want Briggs inside with Maualuga or Brinkley coming in 2009.

[/I]

We already determined that you don't have your facts straight regarding Gooden. He's injury prone. OH, and Gooden played MLB, not ILB. There is a difference and you should know that since I KNOW you've been schooled on the difference several times.

Why would the Pats waste a pick on another WR? OH WAIT. I see. You've got him pegged as the next Devin Hester, don't you. Well, the Pats could use someone OTHER than Hobbs or Maroney returning kicks. So he might not be a bad choice for a 5th receiver.[/B][/I]

Cause Stallworth and Washington are getting cut and we will need another WR, and another punt/kick retuerner helps. No i have Jackson pegged as the next Wes Welker, where did i say Hester?

Stallworth may get cut, but he may not, it all depnds on how the option is played out. Washington is probably going to have a different contract. But its amazing how you ignore the gunner situation. Gunners are extremely important on punt coverages.

Now, why would you want the next Wes Welker when Welker is under contract for another 5 years? That makes no sense at all.

 

[JDP111]

Where would Gooden fit into BB system???

 

[DaBruinz]

and others are wrong, just like you are wrong. Gooden started every game last year and was not injured, and he led the team in tackles.

You are such a nitwit. The guy has been injured EVERY YEAR of his college career. We aren't WRONG Briz. YOU are wrong. And what you IGNORE is that Gooden missed the ENTIRE 2005 season.

Briz, tell me something, you were on the Chad Pennington is injury-prone bandwagon, what makes this kid any different?

 

[BRiZ]

here is a pretty accurate scouting report on Gooden.

Position: ILB/OLB
School & Year/Status: Miami - Senior
Height & Weight: 6'2 - 238 lbs.
40-Time: 4.45

Linebacker Tavares Gooden is a great athlete, but it is his experience that separates him from the rest. In 2003, Gooden made his mark on special teams. In 2004, he spent most of the season starting at the weakside linebacker spot and he moved to the strong side in 2005. He missed most of that year with a dislocated left shoulder, but he started to show his potential as a junior and solidified his leadership of the linebacker corps during his senior campaign.

During his senior season, Gooden led the team with 100 tackles. However, he had just three tackles for loss. The former track star will have little problem chasing down the opposition in the NFL laterally, but he will need to find more balance between speed and strength if his new team wants him to be able to shed blockers and get into the backfield.

You cannot teach speed and somebody will take a look at his quickness and experience and take Gooden during the first day of the draft. At the very least, Gooden is a quality special teams player in the NFL, but he is smart enough and experienced enough to get some quality snaps at linebacker as a rookie as well.

Im not looking for Gooden to come in and start, im not looking for him to be Rey Maualuga. He isnt that. What he is is a young athletic fast linebacker that can provide some needed speed to this team and i believe he can contribute heavily on special teams and provide depth on the inside, with possibly growing into a starter roll with some experience under his belt. I see potential in him hes got alot of qualities you look for in a linebacker.

 

[DaBruinz]

thats for next year but in 09, 010 ect it gets to be around 3 mill range. Thats not acceptable unless he is contributing on offense imo, i just dont see how he cracks Moss/Welker/Jackson/Gaffney(and Stall if they keep him) anytime soon. They will have to dish out 4 million bonus for 08, i just dont see them giving him that for special teams contributions but i could be wrong.

You're right they could restructure him, Stallworth too.

Don't confuse Briz with facts. It just confuses him. I mean, you notice how he mentions Moss and Gaffney though neither of them are re-signed. Those are just assumptions on his part.

Briz, the Pats paid Vinatieri over 2.5 million and he was just a kicker. Washington is out there on KICKS and PUNTS and is damn good on both. This was his first year in the system. And he'll likely get a lot of time in camp with the offenses to see how he's come along. Just like Jackson.

 

[JDP111]

James Sanders, he's a nice kid, a quiet kid, comes in, does his job, stays out of trouble, doesn't talk and goes home.

A "Steady Eddie"....Avoid the deep stuff, hang in my zone, be cautious, and support the run after initial contact has already been made by one of the LBs.

I call him "Par 4" Sanders.

You know he's a "nice" player. That's fine, I have nothing against him. Look, the kid was 4th round dice roll out of Fresno State, a BB confidant's phone call recommendation, the kid has turned out ok.

I need more out of my starting safety, I'm sorry, but I need the Brandon Meriweather, Kenny Phillips playmaker types out of my starting back-2 with this said, I believe James is currently on the highest point of his "upside bow".
What we've seen is all we are really going to get. Is it bad, no it's not. Matter of fact, I'm sure there are probably 22 other teams in the league that could make due with James as their starting safety. Me, I just can't, on this team, James is a big nickle/dime starter only, he's not in that core-11.

You do realize that James Sanders led all Patriot DB's in tackles (73) and 60 of those were solo tackles. The guy is just beginning to get his feet wet in the league and your calling for his head to roll?? Give me a break.

 

[BRiZ]

You are such a nitwit. The guy has been injured EVERY YEAR of his college career. We aren't WRONG Briz. YOU are wrong. And what you IGNORE is that Gooden missed the ENTIRE 2006 season.

Briz, tell me something, you were on the Chad Pennington is injury-prone bandwagon, what makes this kid any different?

no he wasnt injured last year. And hes played in 49 games, that is more than Patrick Willis. He was redshirted and came back and had good junior and senior seasons.

 

[Terry Glenn is a cowgirl]

yippie!!!

We trade the #7 pick to Chicago for their 1st round pick (#14) and their 2nd round pick (#44). They may want to move up for a QB, and i dont like the value at #7.

Round 1 #14 - Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie CB Tennessee St.
Round 2 #44 - Antoine Cason CB Arizona
Round 2 #62 - Jamar Adams S Michigan
Round 3 #69 - Tavares Gooden ILB Miami
Round 3 #94 - Jason Taylor OLB Miami
Round 4 #126 - Mike Dragosavich P North Dakota St.
Round 5 #158 - Dexter Jackson WR Appalachian St.

comments:

- First pick we take a #1 corner in "DRC" to replace Samuel who is gunna follow tha money. Cro may be raw but has the tools and athletic skill to succeed, i think he will turn out to be a true man-to-man lockdown CB with some experience. Im sick of this zone crap we play all the time, its time to man up and play some real D.

- Second pick would be awesome if Cason is still there, we could line him up opposite DRC to match up against #2 WRs, the ones Hobbs matches up with now. That will let us slide Hobbs down to cover #3's and slot guys, which i think he would be very good at compared to being outside against the big boys. DRC and Cason on the outside i like the sound of that, with Hobbs in the middle that is a huge upgrade than what we got now imo.

- Third pick Jamar Adams safety from Michigan, hes got good size, 6-2 210, and we would use some depth at safety cause Rodney is getting old and may have only a year or two left (thats if he doesnt retire this year), and Eugene Wilson is a scrub piece of crap, the pats wont be bringing him back.

- Fourth pick Tavares Gooden is like Meriweather, hes from the "U" and he is a hardcore thug. We need that in the middle of our D. Hes fast and could play inside or add depth there and could be used on special teams.

- Fifth pick we trade our last 3rd rounder, the last pick of day one, to Miami and Parcells for a prisoner named Jason Taylor! Yes it will happen and it will get done. Taylor and Thomas at OLB thats leathal.

- Sixth pick is the last pick in the 4th round, i like the punter guy Drago!

- Seventh pick is a little WR Dexter Jackson out of Appalachian State, wicked fast, small, quick, hes a Wes Welker clone but faster. I think he would be phenominal in our offense, he gets off the line super fast and Brady would love him just like Welker. Jackson could play the slot like Welk but he also has the speed to move out wide. I predict we will be cutting Stallworth and Washington so we are gunna need to pick up another WR. Gaffney will be resigned.

Some offseason moves effected this version of my draft. Free agents, cuts and stuff, heres what i predict and would hope for.

First we cut some guys to clear up some cap room so we can resign Moss, and go after the big free agent we need imo Lance Briggs. We will not be able to compete to sign Asante, the price will be too high, so i want to go after Briggs.

-Cuts-
-Donte Stallworth
-Kelly Washington
-Rosevelt Colvin

This would clear up 15-20 mill, more than enough for Moss and other free agents. Yes Rosy gets cut, his cap is too high, but he is replaced by Jason Taylor (for cheeper too). I think Taylor would absolutely rape in this D. Stallworth would be replaced by Chad Jackson which i think is an upgrade, and Kelly Washington replaced by Dexter Jackson. Gaffney we resign so we got:

WR#1 Randy Moss
WR#2 Chad Jackson
WR#3 Wes Welker / Dexter Jackson (slot)
WR#4 Jabar Gaffney

I think Troy Brown will retire.

-Free Agent losses-
-Asante Samuel CB
-Eugense Wilson FS (let go)

With Samuel going thats the reason for the CB picks in the early draft. Meriweather will replace Wilson next year at FS but we add Adams in the draft to add safety depth.

-Free Agent Additions-
-Lance Briggs

Pay him what he wants, we are desperate for an impact linebacker inside. People think Briggs couldnt play inside in a 3-4 but thats not true he can play anywhere. My "idea" is this:

Sign Briggs to play the weakside inside, and we bring back Seau and Bruschi for one more year to play the strongside. But Seau and Bruschi would rotate, to help them make it through the season, Seau could be in on 1st and 2nd running downs and come off and Bruschi would be in on 3rd down passing downs since he is better in coverage. So if everything went perfect (yea right..) the D would look like:

OLB Adalius Thomas
DE Richard Seymour
NT Vince Wilfork
DE Ty Warren
OLB Jason Taylor / Vrabel
ILB (weakside) Lance Briggs / Tavares Gooden
ILB (strongside) Junior Seau / Teddy Bruschi

CB#1 Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
FS Brandon Meriweather
SS Rodney Harrison
CB#2 Antoine Cason
CB#3 Ellis Hobbs

That would be sick, Thomas and Taylor on the outside the pass rush would be wicked good. I like the idea of Briggs playing behind Thomas, Seymour, and Wilfork they could clog blockers allowing him to run and make plays.

Also after next season, after Seau and Bruschi give it one more shot, they will retire and we will need to fill the strongside inside. There are some beasts in the 2009 draft, Rey Maualuga and Jasper Brinkley to name a few. We can draft one of them then and then we would have them and Briggs inside, i like.

Well thats all i got for now. Phheww.

Where is the oline (tackle) addressed????

 

[BRiZ]

Don't confuse Briz with facts. It just confuses him. I mean, you notice how he mentions Moss and Gaffney though neither of them are re-signed. Those are just assumptions on his part.

Briz, the Pats paid Vinatieri over 2.5 million and he was just a kicker. Washington is out there on KICKS and PUNTS and is damn good on both. This was his first year in the system. And he'll likely get a lot of time in camp with the offenses to see how he's come along. Just like Jackson.

use your head if you have one DB. Washington is a wide reciever, i dont think he wants to play the rest of his career on special teams. And no special teams player is worth 2-4 mill, kickers are not the same. A kicker is a very important part of a team and are harder to find/replace than any old special teams player. Special teams players are pretty much backups. Washington is not going to crack our WR core, no way unless Gaffney is unable to be resigned. He would still be too expensive for his role, he was signed to a contract assuming he was gunna be a significant contributer on this offense, that was before we signed Moss. Moss aint going anywhere, and Washington is not gunna be able to crack into the unit. He will be released before his option is due.