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Email from Tim DiPiero, agent for Randy Moss to Reiss, Thursday night


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I hope that the authorities take a good look at McGill and pummel him and I hope the Patriots and/or teh NFL do the same. The time for small manure lawyers to shake down celebrities needs to stop...step on this guy big time and make an example of him plain and simple..you do that and it stoips 100 more idiot lawyers trying to dig for gold...squash him...as for his "friend"..anto-defmataion suit could be added if she goes to the media..
 
I'm looking for a single correct thing in your post, and, while I respect your view, I still haven't found it.

1) If you believe a crime has been committed, you report it to criminal authorities. This what DiPiero did.

2) The conduct may also be reported to the Florida bar. And, for all we know, it has been. But your comment that the lawyer's conduct is "clearly a basis for immediate suspension or disbarment" is just flat wrong. There is no such thing as "immediate suspension or disbarment." Even for much more egregious violations. Bar complaints and lawyer discipline are long, drawn out processes in which the lawyer is entitled a full chance to respond and a hearing before he can be disciplined. The Florida bar would first conduct its own investigation. (Bars have their own versions of prosecuting attorneys.) That alone can take up to a year or more. The bar of Florida is not going to immediately "disbar" anyone. The policy implications of doing so would be horrible. Every lawyer in every case would start flying in with allegations about his opposing counsel to get them off a case. The thing to do when a lawyer acts in a criminal manner is report it to criminal authorities who can move much more quickly than the state bar, which is glacial by comparison.

3) You say, "This is a civil case, and it will go on for a long time (years in battery cases)." You seem to be confused about the difference between filing a tort or personal injury case (which she has NOT done) and filing an application for order of protection (which she HAS done). An application for order of protection MUST be heard within 15 days -- a full hearing. It's not like an ordinary civil trial. Either a hearing has to be held on Jan. 28 at which Moss can be heard, or she will have to dismiss her complaint. And a decision will be reached immediately on Jan. 28, or the next day. (The injunction actually expires on Jan. 29, so the judge gave himself an extra day if he needs it.)

4) Finally you say, "None of this dirt is relevant and gag orders can be placed on irrelevant material discovered to prevent public disclosure." Actually, again, no and no. In an order of protection case the "dirt" stuff is highly relevant. Particularly claims about weapons. Similarly, these are public proceedings and rarely, if ever, sealed or closed to the public. There is a heavy presumption of public access to judicial proceedings, and they are virtually never closed unless there are trade secrets involved.

I say this gently and with good humor, but leave the legal discussion to the professionals. Everyone says they hate us lawyers, why does everyone want to act like one?

I too will respond gently. First, I am an attorney, and one who has worked as an attorney for state and federal judges for a few years. My point in writing my comment was to raise the question to non-lawyers in an informal manner about administrative action (reasonably, if DiPietro is talking about all steps he took, why did he omit calling the conduct in question before the bar?) It was not intended to start a legal procedure discussion.

With that said, there are a number of species of orders poorly identified as TROs. Family courts may have protective orders that are independent of civil cases. Criminal courts have similar provisions that may issue with the filing of a criminal complaint. All motions I have encountered as TROs (usually preceding a preliminary injunction) accompany the filing of a civil complaint. As I was speaking generally and not to Florida procedures, Florida may have some quirky civil procedure existing entirely unto itself. I do not and did not claim to have analyzed any Florida procedure.

As for grievance procedures, maybe you have a different system but in 5 states I have never seen a criminal procedure move faster than a frievance procedure. Due process applies to both, as does the right to appeal, but criminal procedures run years (6 month clocks do not necessarily mean trial in 6 months - look to all possible exceptions as well) and deal with all defendants, grievances are substantially fewer in number unless Arizona is a well-spring of grievances.

As you would also be aware as an attorney, TROs do not involve intensive fact-finding. They are status quo procedures usually within the course of a trial. When I referred to ultimate resolution, I was referring to civil trials and those take years, not months. As for dismissals, there are generally three types: voluntary by a plaintiff, involunary by a court, and voluntarily by settlement.

Whether in discovery or during trial, there are agreements by attorneys that are submitted by courts to keep private information private (surprisingly, I have actually seen these utilized quite a bit). While there is a presumption of public access to court records (and there are in fact plenty of grounds in civil cases other than trade secrets), parties do not have to allow access to discovery (in fact, discovery is typically not part of a public record). And my reference to "dirt" being disclosed obviously was not intended to indicate you can stop a party from writing a novel or that orders are readily available, it was more intended to state that a good judge will not allow irelevancies to come out at trial (the bedrock standard of admission is relevance to a claim, in this case the tort of battery). And if you can say that courts cannot be closed and that gag orders cannot issue, then I will be happy to point you to actual case law to the contrary.

Again, while I respect your concerns, my comment was intended to simply raise a question in a non-legal forum, not invite a legal critique (and a substantially debatable critique at that). While I am happy to discuss the legalities of this case offline, I would respectfully point out that if you see actual legal terms and procedures you may have run across in law school or in your court dealings referenced, you may actually be addressing an attorney (or the express statement "any attorney knows", which might seem a tad presumptuous if I was not, in fact, an attorney). Although I have written and edited law review articles, I tend to come here for sports talk and leave the hardcore legal analysis at the office.
 
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............My point in writing my comment was to raise the question to non-lawyers in an informal manner about administrative action (reasonably, if DiPietro is talking about all steps he took, why did he omit calling the conduct in question before the bar?) It was not intended to start a legal procedure discussion. ..........................


I'm not a member of the Florida Bar but IIRC aren't there prohibitions against threatening to report a member of the Bar for ethical violations in order to gain an advantage in a case? By not even mentioning it, he eliminates any possibility that the opposing counsel can claim that he violated any rules of professional conduct. This doesn't mean that he may not have reported it, or may do so in the future but it seems more of a tactical decision than anything else....
 
I'm not a member of the Florida Bar but IIRC aren't there prohibitions against threatening to report a member of the Bar for ethical violations in order to gain an advantage in a case? By not even mentioning it, he eliminates any possibility that the opposing counsel can claim that he violated any rules of professional conduct. This doesn't mean that he may not have reported it, or may do so in the future but it seems more of a tactical decision than anything else....

Philly-

You generally (again, not a Florida bar member either) could not threaten to file a grievance to gain a tactical advantage. However, if the conduct actually was tantamount to criminal activity, it is not a matter of gaining tactical advantage. A different attorney could be retained and the offending attorney sent packing without affecting the case. An attorney is not immune from disciplinary action by virtue of acting to the benefit of the client. The argument point obviously is whether the grievance serves the end of reporting misconduct or gaining a tactical advantage.
 
Re: Email from Tim DiPiero, agent for Randy Moss

Mr. McGill = Mike Nifong

I hope the U.S. Attorney in Florida nails the b*stard.

This thing smelled like the Duke thing from the beginning.

People are going to jump to conclusions about Randy Moss. He somehow earned a reputation starting in high school, into college and finally in the pros. Unfortunately, I think there are a few Patriot haters that are coming down on him for being a Patriot. Then there are the other people that just hate him for his passed transgressions.

Personally, I thought Randy matured a great deal with his time in Oakland. When he realized that people had written him off as being done, he focused on his future and business. He realized that football wasn't everything. After being traded, he realized that he had a point to prove. He wasn't done and he is not the guy people thought he was.

IF his agent/lawyer, is accurate, this McGill person should be investigated and have his right to practice law removed.

I hate to say one thing or another. I have heard people assuming Randy's guilt and it was idiotic. As soon as people heard "trouble" and "Moss", they knew he was guilty. Guess one can do that and look either smart or stupid. I prefer to sit back and hear all the facts and not have to eat my own words.
 
IWith that said, there are a number of species of orders poorly identified as TROs.

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TROs do not involve intensive fact-finding. They are status quo procedures usually within the course of a trial.

Just a couple of noncomments to avoid putting the nonlawyers to sleep:

1) There is only one statute in Florida for "dating violence" orders of protection. It sets out one procedure and one type order. She filed a "dating violence" petition. That's the order she got.

2) Not sure why we're talking about TRO proceedings. She got her TRO. The judge held his TRO hearing on Jan. 14 -- likely in his chambers -- and gave it to her. He can keep it in place for 15 days. We're now on to the permanent injunction, which does indeed involve intensive fact finding and for which she holds the burden.

3) You talk about civil litigation protective orders. They are virtually never entered in domestic/dating violence cases for reasons that I'm sure are obvious to you as a lawyer.
 
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I'm not a member of the Florida Bar but IIRC aren't there prohibitions against threatening to report a member of the Bar for ethical violations in order to gain an advantage in a case? By not even mentioning it, he eliminates any possibility that the opposing counsel can claim that he violated any rules of professional conduct. This doesn't mean that he may not have reported it, or may do so in the future but it seems more of a tactical decision than anything else....

I think it's probably very likely that Dipiero has, or will once the hearing has been held, report McGill to the bar.

But to answer the question, the circumstances under which you could threaten to report another lawyer to the bar and then not do it are very limited. The rules of professional conduct for lawyer obligate lawyers to report ethical violations. They don't have a choice. In other words, a lawyer himself commits an ethical violation if he does not report a known ethical violation.

What this means is that you can rarely threaten an ethical violation. Once you threaten it, you have to report it, pretty much.

Now, you can be cute about it -- you can say, "look, I don't know what all the facts are here, but I believe you've committed an ethical violation if I have the facts right, so convince me I don't have the facts right," or something like that.

But to go back to the main point and with respect to members of the bar who may be posting here, one can draw absolutely zero implication from the fact that DiPiero's e-mail did not mention filing a bar complaint. The course that DiPiero took is a very very common one when a lawyer extorts another lawyer -- get law enforcement involved immediately then file (or, more likely, assist your client who was the target of the ethical violation in filing) the bar complaint. Randy has better things to do right now than sit in DiPiero's office helping him draft a bar complaint, and there is no urgency. It would be years before any sanction. There are bar complaint cases pending in Florida right now that were filed in the 90s.
 
I can not believe the amount technical legal discussion that has gone on regarding this "incident". We now know it's nothing. We have enough facts to make reasonable assumptions and based upon these assumptions, we're wasting our time discussing a frivalous & petty case.:rolleyes:

Let's not discuss legalities just for the sake of discussion. Randy, the Patriots and his fans have nothing to worry about. You wait & watch, I guarantee this to be true.
 
Philly-

You generally (again, not a Florida bar member either) could not threaten to file a grievance to gain a tactical advantage. However, if the conduct actually was tantamount to criminal activity, it is not a matter of gaining tactical advantage. A different attorney could be retained and the offending attorney sent packing without affecting the case. An attorney is not immune from disciplinary action by virtue of acting to the benefit of the client. The argument point obviously is whether the grievance serves the end of reporting misconduct or gaining a tactical advantage.

Is Tim DiPiero an atty? He is Mr. Moss's agents. Some agents are attys, some are not. Some have JDs, but are not admitted to the bar.

Anybody know.
 
Is Tim DiPiero an atty? He is Mr. Moss's agents. Some agents are attys, some are not. Some have JDs, but are not admitted to the bar.

Anybody know.

http://pview.findlaw.com/view/1004462_1

>>>>J. Timothy DiPiero is a member of Di Trapano, Barrett & DiPiero, PLLC. Previously, he had been a partner in Di Trapano & Jackson, having joined that firm in 1983. From 1975-77, he was a law clerk to Charles H. Haden, II, for seven months when Judge Haden was Chief Justice of the West Virginia Supreme Court of Appeals and for eighteen months when Judge Haden was appointed to the federal bench as the U. S. District Judge for the Northern and Southern Districts of West Virginia.>>>>>>
 
Just a couple of noncomments to avoid putting the nonlawyers to sleep:

1) There is only one statute in Florida for "dating violence" orders of protection. It sets out one procedure and one type order. She filed a "dating violence" petition. That's the order she got.

2) Not sure why we're talking about TRO proceedings. She got her TRO. The judge held his TRO hearing on Jan. 14 -- likely in his chambers -- and gave it to her. He can keep it in place for 15 days. We're now on to the permanent injunction, which does indeed involve intensive fact finding and for which she holds the burden.

3) You talk about civil litigation protective orders. They are virtually never entered in domestic/dating violence cases for reasons that I'm sure are obvious to you as a lawyer.

Again, having not researched Florida law on the subject, I was addressing this according to general black letter law from the jurisdictions I have worked in and what the media attorneys had said on the subject. You yourself are interchangably using the terms TRO and protective order (one point of my discussion about TROs - attorneys nationwide use inaccurate terms for an order, terms found nowhere in procedure or statute, which confuses remedies available in one court with remedies available in another), which in many jurisdictions (and I have seen a few) are completely different orders from completely different court. And as an FYI, if an ex parte TRO issues in a civil proceeding (non-domestic violence) in federal or state court, there would be a similar hearing deadline (likely a bit shorter). As for your statement that a civil battery action filed in state or federal court would never get a TRO, if plaintiff was actually injured, tell me the judge who would not grant one? That procedure would not be as good a fit as a domestic violence provision, so I agree it is the better route if such a procedure is available in a state.

You apparently researched Florida law on the subject at some time, so you needed only state so and the discussion would end. I was not looking to debate Florida law. My primary point in my first post was to raise a question to the forum about the grievance process, which you seem to disagree with only in resolution time as those procedures exist in every bar. Your response, which had the tone of "let Mom and Dad talk" and nonlawyers stand aside, came across as arrogant and, also as an FYI, is one of the reasons people hate lawyers.
 
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Sadly the that list is longer than the list of reasons fans of other teams dislike the Patriots.

You will find no argument here on that point.

But on a positive note, the humor potential is so much greater in lawyer jokes than with the Pats.
 
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Reason #1 for not accepting an offer to be a referee in a Lawyer's Weeknight Basketball League down at the gym. ;)

(sorry guys, I couldn't resist)
 
Reason #1 for not accepting an offer to be a referee in a Lawyer's Weeknight Basketball League down at the gym. ;)

(sorry guys, I couldn't resist)

Appropriate to your comment and as Belichick states in that National Lampoon video mocking Spygatehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntw7G7enxEk, "That's game planning. That's pure game planning."
 
Again, having not researched Florida law on the subject, I was addressing this according to general black letter law from the jurisdictions I have worked in and what the media attorneys had said on the subject. You yourself are interchangably using the terms TRO and protective order (one point of my discussion about TROs - attorneys nationwide use inaccurate terms for an order, terms found nowhere in procedure or statute, which confuses remedies available in one court with remedies available in another), which in many jurisdictions (and I have seen a few) are completely different orders from completely different court. And as an FYI, if an ex parte TRO issues in a civil proceeding (non-domestic violence) in federal or state court, there would be a similar hearing deadline (likely a bit shorter). As for your statement that a civil battery action filed in state or federal court would never get a TRO, if plaintiff was actually injured, tell me the judge who would not grant one? That procedure would not be as good a fit as a domestic violence provision, so I agree it is the better route if such a procedure is available in a state.

You apparently researched Florida law on the subject at some time, so you needed only state so and the discussion would end. I was not looking to debate Florida law. My primary point in my first post was to raise a question to the forum about the grievance process, which you seem to disagree with only in resolution time as those procedures exist in every bar. Your response, which had the tone of "let Mom and Dad talk" and nonlawyers stand aside, came across as arrogant and, also as an FYI, is one of the reasons people hate lawyers.

PatsFaninAZ, I thank you for your original post, which reflected a specific and helpful knowledge of relevant law and facts. There is no need to continue to beat down a young lawyer with not much to say on the matter. It's like watching a car accident.
 
Is Tim DiPiero an atty? He is Mr. Moss's agents. Some agents are attys, some are not. Some have JDs, but are not admitted to the bar.

Anybody know.

If you'd read the thread in its entirety, you'd have seen that DiPiero is, in fact, an attorney, and a very successful one at that. In fact, from what's been posted, he's damn near one of the best in the country when it comes to professionalism and ethics.
 
PatsFaninAZ, I thank you for your original post, which reflected a specific and helpful knowledge of relevant law and facts. There is no need to continue to beat down a young lawyer with not much to say on the matter. It's like watching a car accident.

I'm not a young lawyer, chief, and as I said to AZ, I never professed to be specifically citing Florida law (the opening coment that started this exchange was very general in nature and largely raised a single question) when I made the first comment. And I'm sure you are aware AZ is the postal abbreviation for Arizona, which is not Florida (that would be FL), and would be well acquainted with the fact the laws of those states are not the same. As AZ never stated he was discussing Florida law, my response was again laws generally.

This is not a lawyer forum, it is a fan forum to point out the obvious so I was not looking to write an article analyzing the Florida or national laws with citations to rules and statutes. I was speaking generally (and, if you are an attorney, correctly as a general response). While I appreciate your assessment of the exchange, I haven't seen your legal credentials so am somewhat unwilling to accept your opinion on the subject. In short, feel free to remain a bystander watching the car wreck.
 
If you'd read the thread in its entirety, you'd have seen that DiPiero is, in fact, an attorney, and a very successful one at that. In fact, from what's been posted, he's damn near one of the best in the country when it comes to professionalism and ethics.

DaBruinz-

The backgrounds of attorneys are available online for the most part, and as someone earlier stated his resume, there is no reason to doubt it.

There is no reason to question his professionalism or ethics in handling this case based on what has been disclosed. He can ethically make tactical decisions that would help his client without angering courts or bars.
 
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Reason #1 for not accepting an offer to be a referee in a Lawyer's Weeknight Basketball League down at the gym. ;)

(sorry guys, I couldn't resist)

I bore myself. ;0) Lawyers, though, do make good refs. (See, e.g., Ed Hochuli.)

To return to the only point of the whole techical legal mumbo jumbo: When you understand it, it SUPPORTS Moss's story.

And the fact that Dipiero's email to a reporter was silent on whether he has filed a bar complaint agains McGill is irrelevant.
 
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