MrBigglesWorth
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CLICK HERE to Register for a free account and login for a smoother ad-free experience. It's easy, and only takes a few moments.With Belichick, ball protection has always been a priority.I think I would make a similar point but in a different way. He will be more prepared for the speed of the game than most rookie QBs simply because he has already played with and against NFL level talent.
What I think may be more of an adjustment for him is to learn to throw to receivers that aren't wide open. He has been coached by Saban at Alabama to avoid turnovers at all costs, and his stat line reflected that: 44 TDs to 4 INTs, really a remarkably low level of interceptions. But he has been trained to make a throw only if the receiver is completely open with little chance of interception. That will often not be the case of course with the Patriot receivers, he isn't throwing to Devonte Smith and Jalen Waddle.
I predict that many, including on this Board, will call him too "conservative and tentative" in his first year simply because he has been drilled to avoid turnovers at all costs in college. Hopefully he will evolve and learn to throw slightly riskier throws into tighter windows in time.
When was the last time a rookie QB had a chance to start for BB?I don't expect to see Jones at QB until 2022/23, assuming health issues aren't a factor. BB doesn't put rookie QB's in the first year. Bill will go with Cam and Stidham for this season 2021/22.
I don't think an average performance will cut it. I think our W/L record will play more of a factor. One way or another, Jones will get his shot at minimum. Its a matter of whether Cam can hold him off...and Cam can do that if we are winning ball games even if he isn't throwing the ball too much.If Cam plays as well as an average QB in the NFL, I think that he will play the season and have us in the playoffs. That being said, that is a tall order for Cam.
Belichick is on Year 2 of his 3 year plan. We seem to be on course.
If Cam produced at the level of an average NFL quarterback, we likely would have won 1-3 more games last year.I don't think an average performance will cut it. I think our W/L record will play more of a factor. One way or another, Jones will get his shot at minimum. Its a matter of whether Cam can hold him off...and Cam can do that if we are winning ball games even if he isn't throwing the ball too much.
This team has improved in several ways to almost make itself quarterback-proof. I'm particularly thinking of the improvements in run blocking that Bill has set up for himself, with 2 higher-end veteran run blockers at TE rather than the youngsters we had out there last year. Both Judon and Smith are two way TEs that can catch and block and I think that was important for Bill.If Cam produced at the level of an average NFL quarterback, we likely would have won 1-3 more games last year.
This year, the team is much improved, with a hugely upgrade defensive front, and the addition of 4 receiving threats (5 if we count White).
So, while I agree that it is about wins and losses, I think that performing as an average NL quarterback would give us those wins.
Cool beans...agree to disagree.If Cam produced at the level of an average NFL quarterback, we likely would have won 1-3 more games last year.
This year, the team is much improved, with a hugely upgrade defensive front, and the addition of 4 receiving threats (5 if we count White).
So, while I agree that it is about wins and losses, I think that performing as an average NL quarterback would give us those wins.
When was the last time a rookie QB had a chance to start for BB?
Yea it's kinda disingenuous to say "a rookie QB has never started" when there hasn't been a real opportunity for it to happen in 20+ yearsThe answer, never. That is what I posted.
I am calling it now, Cam will not make it out of training camp. The more I read about Mac, the more I believe he will command the offense very soon. He will be ahead of both Cam and Stid by TC. Cam will see that the kid knows the system better than him and will advise himself. We will probably have Stid as the backup QB. 5-2-2021With an investment like this in FA, I don't think BB will tolerate many performances from Cam if he plays like the end of last year. I have confidence in Jones to play better than those performances early on if that's the case.
I am calling it now, Cam will not make it out of training camp. The more I read about Mac, the more I believe he will command the offense very soon. He will be ahead of both Cam and Stid by TC. Cam will see that the kid knows the system better than him and will advise himself. We will probably have Stid as the backup QB. 5-2-2021
Oh but there has been the opportunity it just hasn't happenedYea it's kinda disingenuous to say "a rookie QB has never started" when there hasn't been a real opportunity for it to happen in 20+ years
How would you know? When, besides 2000, was BB EVER in a position that starting a rookie QB was even a slight possibility?I don't expect to see Jones at QB until 2022/23, assuming health issues aren't a factor. BB doesn't put rookie QB's in the first year. Bill will go with Cam and Stidham for this season 2021/22.
these claims about what were said to whom and when are just that....claims.Based on what I read, MacEnroe's tendency for Da Vinci Code style self-flagellation after mistakes should probably lead to a season of sitting/learning behind Cam, anyway. Like you said, BB will do what is best for the team. I think he's learned a thing or two about QB controversies and how to handle them. Thanks for making me relive the (only 2 decades ago so not really that) old memories:
"The [paper also responsible for the f*<king Rams walkthrough debacle] beat writers sure did their part, penning the obligatory pro-Bledsoe piece, since no QB controversy is worth its salt unless one of the parties is mad as hell and isn't going to take this anymore:
'A visibly angry Drew Bledsoe said yesterday he "was told" that he'd have an opportunity to compete for the Patriots starting quarterback job once he was cleared by doctors. According to sources close to Bledsoe, that assurance came from coach Bill Belichick.
However, a team source said last night that no promises were given.'"
From The NFL's Last Great Quarterback Controversy
by Malinowski
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The closest Bill Belichick will come to admitting he misled Drew Bledsoe -- forever damaging that trust -- is the coach's admission Wednesday that, "Maybe last week, maybe there was a little gap in the understanding of what an opportunity would be. ... Maybe I shouldn't have made the commitment to Drew" that he could try to win back his job this season.
If Tom Brady becomes a very good starting quarterback, then Belichick will have won the bold -- some would say unnecessary -- gamble he took Tuesday, announcing that Brady is his quarterback for the rest of the season, "barring unforeseen circumstances."
If Brady doesn't -- if he falters as he has the last couple of games -- then Belichick will get fired. Maybe not in a month, or in a year. But when it happens, we'll point to the decision he made Tuesday as the beginning of the end.
From WITH BLEDSOE, BELICHICK FUMBLES
by Greenberg
How would you know? When, besides 2000, was BB EVER in a position that starting a rookie QB was even a slight possibility?