OT: Josh Brown

[Hammer of Thor]

Don't hotels usually have surveillance cameras? I'm waiting for TMZ to obtain the video of a drunken Brown barging at his wife's hotel room door. Won't be as "juicy" as the Ray Rice video, but that video combined with the past Ray Rice situation would make this the #1 story on the national news broadcasts again. The NFL and all of its cronies deserves this.

 

[Deus Irae]

If it was left to individual teams, we'd see communities involved in coverup operations on par with big time college football towns.... with team administrators wheeling and dealing behind the scenes to keep Billy Bob and Dez off the front pages and on the field. Someone has to be the adult when there are 32 spoiled , entitled children that get their way more often than not.

That's ridiculous. And we've seen how this plays out with the "adult", both with the NCAA and the NFL.

 

[borisman]

Please fire Goodell

Crowd At Robert Kraft’s Pre-Game Speech: “Free Brady! Fire Goodell! Fire Goodell!”…. Robert Kraft: “We’re All With You There”

this never get old

 

[Wordsmyth]

If it's Josh Brown, flush it.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Crowd At Robert Kraft’s Pre-Game Speech: “Free Brady! Fire Goodell! Fire Goodell!”…. Robert Kraft: “We’re All With You There”

this never get old

They need a real commissioner with actual integrity, not this drone puppet they have now.

 

[The Gr8est]

They need a real commissioner with actual integrity, not this drone puppet they have now.

Sadly, as bad as Goodell is, he is doing the work of the owners with their approval.

Even if Goodell gets replaced I think we fans need to keep the pressure on the owners with a continued boycott.

Hopefully the owners will go back and right some of the wrongs they have foisted on us, such as the Spygate and Deflategate penalize to the Pats and the Rats' violations, but not holding my breath on that.

 

[ashley]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 7m7 minutes ago
NFL is placing Giants kicker Josh Brown on the Commissioner's Exempt List, per @mortreport.

Not sure what the Exempt List is, but Josh Brown is now on it!!!

 

[Bill Lee]

Curran brings the high heater:
Curran: In Brown case, NFL -- again -- asleep at the investigatory switch

Indeed. Tom E. pointed to Mike Florio's piece at Lack of transparency still the biggest problem with Josh Brown case which said:

Why would they not go after Josh Brown when they went after Tom Brady? The easy answer is that they wanted to go after Brady, and they didn’t want to go after Brown (or, at a minimum, they wanted to go easy on Brown).

Very straight forward.

This is going to be fun. Another incompetent investigation from the gang that couldn't shoot straight.
http://deadspin.com/king-county-sheriff-owns-nfl-calls-nfl-investigator-a-1788054321

That page had a link to another interesting article, http://deadspin.com/the-nfl-always-had-access-to-the-josh-brown-documents-1788037941

I hate that this story is what it is, but in it there is the beginning of the end for Goodell. The Brady debacle was the end of the beginning. The league is a laughingstock now - with fans, media and players openly deriding them. And with the decline in ratings, the situation is untenable and moving towards critical mass. I am thinking Brady will still be in the league when Goodell is shown the door.

I hope so, but we were all saying that Ray Brown's situation would cause the downfall of Goodell and it did not. We can see why Goodell did a solid for Mara, the only scenario that makes sense is that Mara had done a solid for Goodell during the Ray Rice situation. All we can hope for is that the tables are turned on Goodell.

I've heard reports that all this new information about Brown's case comes from Brown's own personal journals he wrote while in therapy. If that is true, this is a terrible president to set!!

I agree. It turns out in lots of cases, when you're talking to a therapist, you're also talking to a cop.

 

[Buchanty]

About 18 months ago I read the book "The NFL: A History of America's New Pastime..." by John Crepeau. It was a worthwhile read, if a little dry. However one of my takeaways from that book has been reinforced many times since, namely that the NFL favors the old guard over the newcomers. The old guard are those teams in the original NFL, and the newcomers are the AFL upstarts who were later merged into the NFL in 1966.

The NFL had 6 more teams than the AFL, so three were forced to become members of the AFC while the rest remained in the NFC. Those three? The Steelers, the Browns (latterly known as the Ravens), and the Baltimore Colts (later stolen away in the night to Indianapolis).

It is more than a coincidence that the sins of the old guard are less punished than the sins of the upstarts:

for example:

OLD GUARD
(Ravens) Ray Lewis murder involvement
(Colts) Harrison - victim shot by Harrison's gun at a petrol station
(Ravens) Ray Rice - domestic violence
(Vikings) Adrian Peterson - child abuse
(Steelers) Roethlisberger - sexual assault charge
(Cowboys) Hardy - domestic abuse
(Giants) Brown - domestic abuse

v

UPSTARTS
(Saints) Bountygate
(Patriots) Spygate and Deflategate (NFC Vikings and Panthers not fined for same offense)
(Chiefs) Maclin tampering

It is also apparent, especially in the Deflategate case, that owners and managers of the old guard were the first to condemn (Colts, Ravens), quick to demand stringent punishment (Cowboys) and resistant to condemn the miscarriage of justice perpetrated by the NFL officers (Giants).

What disturbs me most about the Old Guard list is that all offenses are crimes against humans, while the Upstart list contains not crimes or misdemeanors but rule violations

The only anomaly for this observation is the treatment of the Jets, which can only be explained by the number of NFL executives with ties to that franchise. The very same executives that led the whole Deflategate sting and propaganda machine.

Parity it seems can be leveled, so that the old guard can be favored while the upstarts can be additionally handicapped. It is time for the league to be moved away from New York (Akron will do), and these historic privileges and biases removed.

 

[raduray]

About 18 months ago I read the book "The NFL: A History of America's New Pastime..." by John Crepeau. It was a worthwhile read, if a little dry. However one of my takeaways from that book has been reinforced many times since, namely that the NFL favors the old guard over the newcomers. The old guard are those teams in the original NFL, and the newcomers are the AFL upstarts who were later merged into the NFL in 1966.

The NFL had 6 more teams than the AFL, so three were forced to become members of the AFC while the rest remained in the NFC. Those three? The Steelers, the Browns (latterly known as the Ravens), and the Baltimore Colts (later stolen away in the night to Indianapolis).

It is more than a coincidence that the sins of the old guard are less punished than the sins of the upstarts:

for example:

OLD GUARD
(Ravens) Ray Lewis murder involvement
(Colts) Harrison - victim shot by Harrison's gun at a petrol station
(Ravens) Ray Rice - domestic violence
(Vikings) Adrian Peterson - child abuse
(Steelers) Roethlisberger - sexual assault charge
(Cowboys) Hardy - domestic abuse
(Giants) Brown - domestic abuse

v

UPSTARTS
(Saints) Bountygate
(Patriots) Spygate and Deflategate (NFC Vikings and Panthers not fined for same offense)
(Chiefs) Maclin tampering

It is also apparent, especially in the Deflategate case, that owners and managers of the old guard were the first to condemn (Colts, Ravens), quick to demand stringent punishment (Cowboys) and resistant to condemn the miscarriage of justice perpetrated by the NFL officers (Giants).

What disturbs me most about the Old Guard list is that all offenses are crimes against humans, while the Upstart list contains not crimes or misdemeanors but rule violations

The only anomaly for this observation is the treatment of the Jets, which can only be explained by the number of NFL executives with ties to that franchise. The very same executives that led the whole Deflategate sting and propaganda machine.

Parity it seems can be leveled, so that the old guard can be favored while the upstarts can be additionally handicapped. It is time for the league to be moved away from New York (Akron will do), and these historic privileges and biases removed.

Seems to me that the new guard should gang together, maybe split off a few of the less entrenched old guard and take over. Bob Kraft should stop playing kissy face with Goodell and maybe lead this effort.

 

[Buchanty]

On my OP I should add that the Saints and the Panthers were new franchises that joined the NFC, but clearly not part of the old guard as they are recent additions.

If the NFL overlooked the Vikings ball tampering, then they had to also overlook the Panthers at the time.

 

[bormio]

Indeed. Tom E. pointed to Mike Florio's piece at Lack of transparency still the biggest problem with Josh Brown case which said:Very straight forward.That page had a link to another interesting article, http://deadspin.com/the-nfl-always-had-access-to-the-josh-brown-documents-1788037941I hope so, but we were all saying that Ray Brown's situation would cause the downfall of Goodell and it did not. We can see why Goodell did a solid for Mara, the only scenario that makes sense is that Mara had done a solid for Goodell during the Ray Rice situation. All we can hope for is that the tables are turned on Goodell.I agree. It turns out in lots of cases, when you're talking to a therapist, you're also talking to a cop.

2 differences now compared with Rice. The NFL had some ability to plead ignorance cause they had not really dealt with a case quite like Rice before and Goodell had enough goodwill to be able to convince some in the media he had not seen the tape. That is long gone now. The media sees him as a bald face liar and they can make his life and that of the Giants and the NFL a living hell. Add to that falling TV viewership, and the owners are going to see him as the one that is killing the golden goose. ESPN can defend someone railroading Brady, but they are not going to protect anyone involved in domestic abuse or anyone seen as enabling them.

 

[Pat the Pats Fan]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 7m7 minutes ago
NFL is placing Giants kicker Josh Brown on the Commissioner's Exempt List, per @mortreport.

Not sure what the Exempt List is, but Josh Brown is now on it!!!

Is that like double secret probation???

 

[bbobbo]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter 7m7 minutes ago
NFL is placing Giants kicker Josh Brown on the Commissioner's Exempt List, per @mortreport.

Not sure what the Exempt List is, but Josh Brown is now on it!!!

it means he still gets paid but he doesn't count against the giants roster.

 

[FirstAndGoal]

Anytime there is domestic or child abuse involved (ongoing), the therapist is required by law to report it. I don't know what happened in this case but journals and therapy were mentioned. If he did report what has been reported to his therapist and the therapist did not report it, they will lose their license at the very least.

 

[The Gr8est]

2 differences now compared with Rice. The NFL had some ability to plead ignorance cause they had not really dealt with a case quite like Rice before and Goodell had enough goodwill to be able to convince some in the media he had not seen the tape. That is long gone now. The media sees him as a bald face liar and they can make his life and that of the Giants and the NFL a living hell. Add to that falling TV viewership, and the owners are going to see him as the one that is killing the golden goose. ESPN can defend someone railroading Brady, but they are not going to protect anyone involved in domestic abuse or anyone seen as enabling them.

I'm thinking more people are seeing Goodell as only the face of the owners, but he is doing the owner's dirty work, at least I know Pats fans do, but Pats fans have more reason to.

 

[Deus Irae]

I'm thinking more people are seeing Goodell as only the face if the owners, but he is doing the owner's dirty work, at least I know Pats fans do, but Pats fans have more reason to.

This is Goodell's baby. Tags was doing the owners' dirty work, too, but he kept the NFL out of the criminal justice business.

 

[DaBronxPats14]

This smells anytime you have mara* and goodell* in same sentence, stinks bad! You know some way or how there was a cover up and I believe Brown is still on 53 man roster and if it wasn't for mara* gettin busted with this Brown would be in London. Don't think for a min that Mara is doin right thing keeping Brown home this weekend. This has nothing to do with him victimizing his wife but all to do with being embarrassed and pressured into it.
Integrity.

 

[bormio]

This is Goodell's baby. Tags was doing the owners' dirty work, too, but he kept the NFL out of the criminal justice business.

The owners do not want anything to do with handling domestic violence - they pay Goodell to handle this stuff and not screw it up. He has - and the media is now after them like a rabid dog. Mara is about to have a rectal exam.

 

[The Gr8est]

This smells anytime you have mara* and goodell* in same sentence, stinks bad! You know some way or how there was a cover up and I believe Brown is still on 53 man roster and if it wasn't for mara* gettin busted with this Brown would be in London. Don't think for a min that Mara is doin right thing keeping Brown home this weekend. This has nothing to do with him victimizing his wife but all to do with being embarrassed and pressured into it.
Integrity.

I was never suspicious about the Giants' Superbowl victories before today, but with some of the information and speculation I'm reading today, combined with some of the events and curious penalties, fumble recoveries, or lack thereof, I am starting to wonder if the Giants got a bit of a helping hand to get them over the top.