Cyrus Jones

[Gwedd]

Similar fumble and flag issues with Patrick Pass, JR Redmond, and even Kevin Faulk. They turned out alright after muddling through their rookie seasons.

I admit I'm biased. I'm an Alabama homer, and I have a Cyrus Jones signed Alabama jersey for game days. But he's a rookie and not every player has an easy transition to the NFL. In fact, most don't.

We'll see how it plays out over the year. Besides, Coach Belichick and Coach Saban are close friends and I'll bet dollars to donuts that Bill called Nick ahead of the draft for some honest feedback about Jones.

 

[Joker]

He said a dirty word? Give him a sedagive!

 

[fnordcircle]

The announcers said that he 'threw punches'. So without video evidence to the contrary who ****ing knows.

 

[ausbacker]

What? Asante Samuel was a 3x pro bowler and 2x Super Bowl champion for us. He proved himself one of the best ball Hawks of the past 15 years in our secondary. He intercepted a prime Peyton manning for 6 in an afc title game. He got another pick six against the jets in a playoff game.


Slow your horses there...

He skylarked around the field picking and choosing his spots. Santé was a fantastic turnover merchant but outside of that, I've no respect for his play.

 

[Kontradiction]

So domestic abuse doesn't constitute emotional issues to you? And I was trying to peddle what crap in the game thread, that Jones has emotional issues? In that thread I called him out for getting ejected, I never once stated he had emotional issues until THIS thread, so again, this is a case of another poster talking out of their rear end because of a difference of opinion.

You mean the domestic abuse issue in which the charges were dropped? The domestic abuse issue in which Jones contacted the Tuscaloosa Police Department in an attempt to deescalate the situation? Is that the one you were talking about?

Not to even mention you are agreeing with what I'm saying-- that it seems like his days may be numbered in New England (your caveat was "if he doesn't learn his lesson", which I agree with). I'm all for the guy turning it around, and becoming a stud-- hell, I want NE to have the defense of '01-'04 again. But from what I've seen from this kid, I don't think that is the case. We've lost players for less (Gray).

His coverage abilities as a corner have not been the issue. He's made very rookie mistakes which is not surprising considering, ya know, the fact that he's a rookie. He had a bad week last week then lost his temper this week. He'll learn his lesson. If not? Then it is what it is. But to label the kid as someone with "emotional issues" while, even more hilariously, citing a domestic abuse charge that was later dropped and in which he cooperated, is irresponsible on your part.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

He skylarked around the field picking and choosing his spots. Santé was a fantastic turnover merchant but outside of that, I've no respect for his play.

I guess you don't appreciate playmakers in the secondary. I loved Asante and what he brought to our team during those years. At his best an incredible ball hawk

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

A rookie and only 5 games in...i am not panicking right now

 

[ausbacker]

I guess you don't appreciate playmakers in the secondary. I loved Asante and what he brought to our team during those years. At his best an incredible ball hawk

You'll get no disagreement from me that Santé was a wonderful playmaker.

 

[ThatllMoveTheChains!!!]

That doesn't make sense to me, why didn't the bills player from last week get ejected then? This officiating crew was not good

It only makes sense in the context that the NFL openly shows an anti Patriots bias. Anyone who's laying the blame on Jones needs their head examined. I don't think a call like this has ever been made in NFL history, but apparently he should've expected it...

 

[Dagg]

Been a rocky start.

Hes been erased from the return team after 4 weeks. He was flat footed on the Cle TD pass just stood there as the guy ran past him. Not ready to run him out of town but man he must really show out in practice but just not translating in the games.

 

[Th3Birdman]

You mean the domestic abuse issue in which the charges were dropped? The domestic abuse issue in which Jones contacted the Tuscaloosa Police Department in an attempt to deescalate the situation? Is that the one you were talking about?



His coverage abilities as a corner have not been the issue. He's made very rookie mistakes which is not surprising considering, ya know, the fact that he's a rookie. He had a bad week last week then lost his temper this week. He'll learn his lesson. If not? Then it is what it is. But to label the kid as someone with "emotional issues" while, even more hilariously, citing a domestic abuse charge that was later dropped and in which he cooperated, is irresponsible on your part.

I don't think you realize you aren't making a point... cooperating, and having the charges dropped mean nothing in the overall picture. Something happened-- enough to cause the police to be called (by him or whoever, doesn't matter) and for him to be arrested. This shows he couldn't control himself fast enough for the situation to not be escalated to the police-- dude could have removed himself from the situation, easily. How often is it that charges are dropped against star athletes that are headed to the NBA/NFL? Now I don't claim to know that something happened, but you don't know either, and neither does that fool that posted "he never laid a hand on her" as if he were actually present. All that we know is that he was arrested for DV and there is a history there, which you claimed there was not.

I mean, what's next, you're going to state Ben "never touched that girl"or O.J. didn't kill his wife? Come on. He's a Patriot, so I get it, but let's not act as if there is nothing there with this guy, when he's been arrested and got ejected from a game TODAY.

That is not even to state the rookie mistakes he's made. He just doesn't seem cut out for our culture. So keep this going if you want. I've said my piece, and see no further reason to engage with you on this topic.

 

[BradyFTW!]

I don't think you realize you aren't making a point... cooperating, and having the charges dropped mean nothing in the overall picture. Something happened-- enough to cause the police to be called (by him or whoever, doesn't matter) and for him to be arrested. This shows he couldn't control himself fast enough for the situation to not be escalated to the police-- dude could have removed himself from the situation, easily. How often is it that charges are dropped against star athletes that are headed to the NBA/NFL? Now I don't claim to know that something happened, but you don't know either, and neither does that fool that posted "he never laid a hand on her" as if he were actually present. All that we know is that he was arrested for DV and there is a history there, which you claimed there was not.

I mean, what's next, you're going to state Ben "never touched that girl"or O.J. didn't kill his wife? Come on. He's a Patriot, so I get it, but let's not act as if there is nothing there with this guy, when he's been arrested and got ejected from a game TODAY.

That is not even to state the rookie mistakes he's made. He just doesn't seem cut out for our culture. So keep this going if you want. I've said my piece, and see no further reason to engage with you on this topic.

That's a dangerously inept attempt at justifying a bad conclusion after the fact. The rationale that you're using to smear Jones equally applies to Julian Edelman, for example. Do you think it would be responsible or in any way sensible (or otherwise not-stupid) to speculate about Edelman's "emotional issues" based on an arrest that you know nothing about and for which he was never charged?

www.espn.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/7176933/new-england-patriots-julian-edelman-arrested-nightclub-incident

 

[Th3Birdman]

That's a dangerously inept attempt at justifying a bad conclusion after the fact. The rationale that you're using to smear Jones equally applies to Julian Edelman, for example. Do you think it would be responsible or in any way sensible (or otherwise not-stupid) to speculate about Edelman's "emotional issues" based on an arrest that you know nothing about and for which he was never charged?

www.espn.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/7176933/new-england-patriots-julian-edelman-arrested-nightclub-incident

Actually Edelman has had his issues too, but has been nothing short of outstanding as soon as he stepped on the field-- Jones has not.

So...your point...is what exactly? You guys are latching onto one side of the argument and not looking at the entirety of what I am saying, and that is a disingenuous way of arguing. This coupled with his miscues makes it seem TO ME that his days are numbered in New England. If he stays, O.K., Bill knows what he's doing. If he doesn't, O.K. Bill knows what he's doing.

Get me? Thought I had you on ignore anyway. Welcome back to it.

 

[Deus Irae]

I don't think you realize you aren't making a point... cooperating, and having the charges dropped mean nothing in the overall picture. Something happened-- enough to cause the police to be called (by him or whoever, doesn't matter) and for him to be arrested. This shows he couldn't control himself fast enough for the situation to not be escalated to the police-- dude could have removed himself from the situation, easily.

No offense to you personally, but this part of your post shows that you have no idea what you're talking about. You should really educate yourself on the topic, if you're going to discuss it.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Been a rocky start.

Hes been erased from the return team after 4 weeks. He was flat footed on the Cle TD pass just stood there as the guy ran past him. Not ready to run him out of town but man he must really show out in practice but just not translating in the games.

He's definitely made a bunch of mental errors, I don't think anyone could deny that. With players that fit this description, I always think it's a good idea to exercise caution and see if a year of NFL coaching fixes that.

I agree strongly with the general notion of patience. I get that it's tempting to write a guy off after performances like the last couple weeks, but I'd caution people to go back and look at the game tape of players like Hightower and Collins this early in their career. Hightower looked like a borderline bust until his third season, and Collins didn't really make an impact until the end of his rookie season. A lot of very, very good players take some time to put it together. And Belichick has proven over and over again that if he sees enough in a player to draft him in the 2nd round, that guy is going to get some time to show what he can do. Tavon Wilson had 4 years. Jordan Richards is still on the roster. Jones isn't going anywhere any time soon, regardless of how anyone here feels about his play so far. Anyone who claims otherwise hasn't been paying attention for the last 15 years.

 

[Kontradiction]

I don't think you realize you aren't making a point... cooperating, and having the charges dropped mean nothing in the overall picture.

LOL. So the police department dropping the charges and going out of their way to say that he cooperated mean nothing? Okay. You're grasping at straws here.

Something happened--

I'll keep this quote in mind for later on in the post.

enough to cause the police to be called (by him or whoever, doesn't matter) and for him to be arrested. This shows he couldn't control himself fast enough for the situation to not be escalated to the police-- dude could have removed himself from the situation, easily.

Yeah. He and the girl got into a shouting match and he smashed her cell phone before calling the police. Clearly you've never been in a heated fight with a woman or your significant other before but sometimes **** like that happens. In the end, he is still the one that called the police and attempted to deescalate the situation. The charges were then dropped. Why you can't grasp this simple concept is beyond me. It's almost as if you have something against Jones.

How often is it that charges are dropped against star athletes that are headed to the NBA/NFL?

Less often than those college athletes are arrested and charged.

Now I don't claim to know that something happened

That's funny, because you DID just claim to know that something happened. Remember that quote I said I would remember?

Something happened--

But of course you know that something didn't happen. I guess you would rather dig your heels in and get smoked in the process instead of just admitting that you were either: A) wrong, or B) not knowledgeable on what transpired after that situation.

but you don't know either, and neither does that fool that posted "he never laid a hand on her" as if he were actually present. All that we know is that he was arrested for DV and there is a history there, which you claimed there was not.

Arrested, charges dropped, police made a statement on the matter. It's pretty cut and dry. And what "history there" are you talking about? What "history" is there of domestic violence for Cyrus Jones outside of that incident? Cite your sources please.

I mean, what's next, you're going to state Ben "never touched that girl"or O.J. didn't kill his wife? Come on. He's a Patriot, so I get it, but let's not act as if there is nothing there with this guy, when he's been arrested and got ejected from a game TODAY.

Both of those examples are irrelevant to this conversation and are red herrings. So now, on top of tossing out a faulty example and attempting to move the goal posts, you're tossing out logical fallacies. Well done.

That is not even to state the rookie mistakes he's made. He just doesn't seem cut out for our culture. So keep this going if you want. I've said my piece, and see no further reason to engage with you on this topic.

Newsflash: Rookies make rookie mistakes. Water is also wet. Kevin Faulk made rookie mistakes too. He had a fumbling problem. But he put it together nicely. Jones is capable of doing the same thing. You can dislike his game all you want but please don't try to pass off a faulty example and cite that as a reason why he has "emotional problems". It's dishonest and it's the reason I just kicked your ass up and down this thread.

 

[Th3Birdman]

k.

 

[Kontradiction]

LOL @ the dislike.

 

[Jackson 2]

I will bet you any amount of money that Cyrus Jones is not cut this season. Blank check, you choose the number. I'll even give you 10 to 1 odds if you want.

I don't even think Jones has been good. He's underwhelmed, but claiming that he could be on the chopping block 5 weeks into his rookie season is ludicrous. It's simply not happening. It's right up there with the people who claimed Bennett was on the chopping block after week 3 of the preseason.

Yeah, and a bunch of those experts are media members...

 

[IcyPatriot]

Highly unusual that there is no video anywhere of what happened ... I say that speaks to refs may have erred in judgement.