Coaching has been horrible down the stretch and stupid today

[mosslost]

You're trying to use hindsight to fuel your argument which makes it irrelevant.

Dude you just accused me of exactly what you are doing you make no sense. Everyone is disagreeing with you as well you have a lonely position among football knowledgeable people on here and elsewhere.

 

[alvinnf]

Why is this even a question? You take the 3. Your D is playing lights out and it puts all the pressure on the playoff's greatest choke artist to sustain a drive. If you're lucky you get a pick 6 out of it. If not, they punt and you've got the GOAT and plenty of time to get a TD.

This x Infinity!!!

 

[tmajr3]

Only if you subscribe to the idea that ultra-conservative, don't-lose-until-you-have-to-because-less-criticism is the only way to coach. He saw the way the game was going and moving the ball had been a struggle. He was trying to WIN the game. I don't begrudge him that. I never will. Many games NE has won because BB has a sack the size of Jupiter, but those decisions get glossed over and rolled into the record book without specific fanfare. When it doesn't work out people want to crucify him, I get it. Dude ain't scared of criticism or losing, it's a big reason he wins MORE THAN ANYONE EVER. Deal with it, or root for someone else.

thats a great way to look at things. If someone makes a dumb decision, oh well, it has worked x amount of times before. BB wasn't playing to win, he was playing to TIE. Knowing that he needed a TD AND 2 PT conversion, why not kick a FG to take the 2 PT conv out of the conversation? PM hadn't done anything in the second half, take the damn points and have faith in Brady to score a TD

Edit: BTW, I love how taking 6 points is somehow playing conservative. Yet, when I say going for 4th and 6 is dumb, you say NO MAN BB IS A GENIUS WITH BALLS. No, it was the wrong decision

 

[mosslost]

If you think the exact same plays would be called after making a FG, along with the same outcomes, then your argument would make sense. Everything changes.

hmm. maybe we should have just let them minus 3 off the board too.. Maybe our play calling would have improved even more.. WTF??

 

[mosslost]

You are the person who makes up this magic time continuum by saying everything stays exactly the same. There is no reason to assume that. Denver starts at a different spot, uses different play calls and suddenly someone gets injured. You can't just assume everything will go down exactly the same for gods sake.. why is this such a difficult concept for you to grasp ?

Kid, you are making my point over and over and over...

 

[patsderoer]

You are the person who makes up this magic time continuum by saying everything stays exactly the same. There is no reason to assume that. Denver starts at a different spot, uses different play calls and suddenly someone gets injured. You can't just assume everything will go down exactly the same for gods sake.. why is this such a difficult concept for you to grasp ?

You're very very wrong. PayATON sucked in the second half. Taking the 3 was the right decision. the pressure would've been on the biggest playoff choker of all time.

 

[skinnydog]

Only if you subscribe to the idea that ultra-conservative, don't-lose-until-you-have-to-because-less-criticism is the only way to coach. He saw the way the game was going and moving the ball had been a struggle. He was trying to WIN the game. I don't begrudge him that. I never will. Many games NE has won because BB has a sack the size of Jupiter, but those decisions get glossed over and rolled into the record book without specific fanfare. When it doesn't work out people want to crucify him, I get it. Dude ain't scared of criticism or losing, it's a big reason he wins MORE THAN ANYONE EVER. Deal with it, or root for someone else.

I don't see going for three there was ultra conservative at all. The offense had started to move the ball a little. Taking the three and hoping for a three and out from a stagnet Denver offense was more than a hope, it was a likelihood at that stage of the game.

 

[sambam94]

The bigger issue is not kicking the FG on 4 and 6

probably true

 

[mosslost]

Blew several games poor coaching decisions. At 6 minutes left you kick that FG that was stupid. You needed those 3 points.

the other thing NOT getting that 3 accomplished was it kept pressure off Denver and instead added desperation to the Pat's task.

 

[glm]

Dude you just accused me of exactly what you are doing you make no sense. Everyone is disagreeing with you as well you have a lonely position among football knowledgeable people on here and elsewhere.

Well this was a stupid post. Point out where I used hindsight to fuel my argument. I'll wait.

 

[PatriotSpy]

Again, you moron. If we kick the field goal the entire game afterwards will be different and not a 1:1 carbon copy of what happened. When will you finally realize that fallacy ?

look, everything pointed to kicking a field goal. Denver is 1rst against the pass, 3rd against the run. The Pats D was playing well in the 2nd half. Remember when you said the Pats made the right call when declining to have the ball 1rst in overtime against the Jets? You're argument there, applies here. It's a TEAM game, offense and defense remember? So now you're making assumptions that the pats D would not stop the Broncos?

 

[luuked]

Kid, you are making my point over and over and over...

Are you drunk or coked out or something?

 

[mosslost]

Well this was a stupid post. Point out where I used hindsight to fuel my argument. I'll wait.

I already did, you are creating a "straw Man" Argument. Also, you are getting slammed by the other posters its not just me. Like ten disagrees on you every time you disagree with me... LOL

 

[glm]

Kid, you are making my point over and over and over...

He's not. You just don't know how to actually address and refute his points.

 

[SVN]

still cant get over the FG's skip.

 

[mosslost]

He's not. You just don't know how to actually address and refute his points.

I have addresses his "points" perfectly. And you are a fool if you agree with not kicking that FG

 

[glm]

I already did, you are creating a "straw Man" Argument. Also, you are getting slammed by the other posters its not just me. Like ten disagrees on you every time you disagree with me... LOL

No you didn't, now you're just lying. And I haven't received a disagree yet, let alone ten of them. Now show me where I used hindsight to fuel my arguments. I'm still waiting.

 

[luuked]

look, everything pointed to kicking a field goal. Denver is 1rst against the pass, 3rd against the run. The Pats D was playing well in the 2nd half. Remember when you said the Pats made the right call when declining to have the ball 1rst in overtime against the Jets? You're argument there, applies here. It's a TEAM game, offense and defense remember? So now you're making assumptions that the pats D would not stop the Broncos?

God. I never said they made the right call to give the Jets the ball first. Similarly I personally would have also preferred a FG instead of going for it.

But at the same time I understand why the coaching staff thought they should go for it. My entire point is that it was not a stupid but a reasonable decision. I never said I would have done the same.

 

[mosslost]

Are you drunk or coked out or something?

I am able to grasp concepts.. You are not.

 

[Racervx54]

You arm chair coaches crack me up...