Aaron Dobson

[HawaiianPatsfan]

I disagree with your assessment of me being a homer about personell decisions. I've barely voiced my opinion about those decisions on this site if at all. Minus my borderline obnoxious pro Dobson thread(s), I'm not sure where you're getting that from.

Probably the same place he's getting his information that Keenan Allen can't learn a playbook. His own head!

 

[New England Pride]

Probably the same place he's getting his information that Keenan Allen can't learn a playbook. His own head!

I'm not gonna get personal, I just noted that Dues is pretty vocal about his displeasure with front office moves and I think he is a little harsh at times. Saying that doesn't put me into the home category. I don't really comment on this site one way or another about personell because while sometimes I do disagree with the decisions, I have to keep in mind that no GM is perfect.

 

[JMC00]

He actually wanted to quit because he wasn't starting or getting playing time. So going with your "thrown into the deep end" notion, I don't think it would've been a problem in 2013 lol

I see you completely ignored the first sentence, which was

"Training camp was very hard for me. I wanted out, to be honest with you,"

If Chargers camp was very hard for him, can't imagine how hard Pats camp would have been. It just made a HOF WR quit after 2 weeks.

 

[HawaiianPatsfan]

I'm not gonna get personal, I just noted that Dues is pretty vocal about his displeasure with front office moves and I think he is a little harsh at times. Saying that doesn't put me into the home category. I don't really comment on this site one way or another about personell because while sometimes I do disagree with the decisions, I have to keep in mind that no GM is perfect.

For sure! Im not mad at the GM'ing, although if I am critical of Belichicks draft decisions, it would be with WR's (and now safeties) lol
For Heavens sake, we could have Ryan Grigson as our GM........... lmfao

 

[Deus Irae]

Probably the same place he's getting his information that Keenan Allen can't learn a playbook. His own head!

You seem to have mixed up two posters

 

[Deus Irae]

I don't really comment on this site one way or another about personell because while sometimes I do disagree with the decisions, I have to keep in mind that no GM is perfect.

Think about that part of your post, and what it means.

 

[New England Pride]

Think about that part of your post, and what it means.

It means these personell decisions are not science. It's educated guesses based on past experiences and gut instinct. The best gms are wrong more often than not.

 

[Tom_Montana12]

The wanting to quit thing is also a close echo to Brady wanting to transfer from Michigan. We all know how that worked out.

Haha that's silly. Brady considered transferring due to lack of playing time in order to get more playing time.

And as a 2nd (3rd?) round rookie in his first NFL training camp, Keenan Allen considered quitting football entirely to "go do music". Because he was frustrated.

Yeah, Allen really sounds like a hard-working, mentally tough kid.

 

[Deus Irae]

Haha that's silly. Brady considered transferring due to lack of playing time in order to get more playing time.

And as a 2nd (3rd?) round rookie in his first NFL training camp, Keenan Allen considered quitting football entirely to "go do music". Because he was frustrated.

Yeah, Allen really sounds like a hard-working, mentally tough kid.

No, it's not silly at all. In fact, one of the early knocks on Flacco was that he transferred rather than fighting for the spot.

As for Allen, he's been vastly superior to Dobson, to this point, so denigrating him in the context of this thread's discussion is stupid.

Then again, you do seem to enjoy trolling...

 

[Deus Irae]

It means these personell decisions are not science. It's educated guesses based on past experiences and gut instinct. The best gms are wrong more often than not.

Since you comment on many things that aren't science, this is clearly not the actual reason.

 

[Tom_Montana12]

No, it's not silly at all. In fact, one of the early knocks on Flacco was that he transferred rather than fighting for the spot.

As for Allen, he's been vastly superior to Dobson, to this point, so denigrating him in the context of this thread's discussion is stupid.

Then again, you do seem to enjoy trolling...

Haha, not trolling, just trying to have a discussion.

I'm not trying to denigrate Keenan Allen as much as I'm trying to explain why it is that the Patriots chose Dobson over him in 2013.

 

[Deus Irae]

Haha, not trolling, just trying to have a discussion.

I'm not trying to denigrate Keenan Allen as much as I'm trying to explain why it is that the Patriots chose Dobson over him in 2013.

I don't view trolling as inherently bad, so I wasn't saying it as an insult.

And the Patriots chose Dobson over Allen because they screwed up (at least in terms of what's happened to date). You can try to 'explain' all you want, but it's not going to change.

They should have drafted Allen, though I've not held that against them, as the Dobson pick was understandable. I've had much bigger issues with the Boyce pick.

Edit: Just for the record, I took the same approach with regards to the drafting of Brandon Tate that I'm taking with the drafting of Dobson. I defend the logic of a pick yet still acknowledge, and understand its failure (though the Dobson pick has not been fully realized yet).

 

[New England Pride]

Since you comment on many things that aren't science, this is clearly not the actual reason.

I'm a little lost at this point. Maybe you can tell me the reason. I know nothing about science and this is a football forum so I have good reason to avoid that topic lmao.

 

[Deus Irae]

I'm a little lost at this point. Maybe you can tell me the reason. I know nothing about science and this is a football forum so I have good reason to avoid that topic lmao.

I'm saying that you can't fall back on "it's not science" as your excuse for not criticizing the GM moves, when you praise moves that are "not science".

It's football, not science, after all. You can praise BB the GM for drafting the likes of Brady and Edelman, and you can criticize BB the GM for drafting the likes of Ras-IR Dowling and Terrence Wheatley. You can't do only one and refuse to do the other, though, without displaying a bias that you deserve being called out for, IMO. And, IMO, that same sort of approach applies across the board.

 

[PlainOldEd]

And to think, I came in here expecting to read about Aaron Dobson.... Silly me.

 

[Oswlek]

Sometimes I want to kill someone when they spill a drink over me at a nightclub, does that make me Aaron Hernandez? No
Wanting to do something, and actually doing it are two completely different things.

I get what you are saying, but calling your mom and telling her you are a bad day away from retiring - even going as far as knowing what you will move on to - isn't the same as an immediate hostile reaction to a douche in a nightclub. It's more like you having that immediate reaction, stewing on it, having numerous dialog rehearsals in your head, going and buying a gun, taking it to the club the next weekend and having the good fortune of not bumping into the guy again.

It's entirely possible that Allen would have fit like a glove in NE and never would have made the same call, but you can't simply dismiss the idea that a camp that broke Wayne might have been even tougher than the one that almost broke Allen. Even Revis said that he worked harder in 2014 than he had at any other point in his career.

 

[HawaiianPatsfan]

Haha that's silly. Brady considered transferring due to lack of playing time in order to get more playing time.

And as a 2nd (3rd?) round rookie in his first NFL training camp, Keenan Allen considered quitting football entirely to "go do music". Because he was frustrated.

Yeah, Allen really sounds like a hard-working, mentally tough kid.

You want to know what I consider mentally strong. Having feelings of wanting to quit, sucking it up, getting re focused, and coming out to have a rookie year in which you he went for almost 1100 yards, 8TD, having 71 receptions on 105 targets and only 4 DROPS. 80% of his catches went for first downs and he finished #10 that year on PFF WR's list.

Yeah, I really think he's mentally weak..... In the NFL where stats do the talking , he statistically proved anyone and everyone who doubted him wrong.

 

[Tom_Montana12]

You want to know what I consider mentally strong. Having feelings of wanting to quit, sucking it up, getting re focused, and coming out to have a rookie year in which you he went for almost 1100 yards, 8TD, having 71 receptions on 105 targets and only 4 DROPS. 80% of his catches went for first downs and he finished #10 that year on PFF WR's list.

Yeah, I really think he's mentally weak..... In the NFL where stats do the talking , he statistically proved anyone and everyone who doubted him wrong.

We have different definitions of mental toughness.

 

[mikey m]

I am quite confident that if the pats had taken Allen instead of Dobson this board would have been up in arms about taking such a slow receiver with injury concerns and on the verge of retiring in the 2nd round. If any of the armchair GMs around here though can link to their post during the 2013 draft where they declared that Keenan Allen would have been a much better selection then I will bow down and admit that BB can't draft and surely can't compete with your scouting prowess. Serious.

 

[Deus Irae]

I am quite confident that if the pats had taken Allen instead of Dobson this board would have been up in arms about taking such a slow receiver with injury concerns and on the verge of retiring in the 2nd round. If any of the armchair GMs around here though can link to their post during the 2013 draft where they declared that Keenan Allen would have been a much better selection then I will bow down and admit that BB can't draft and surely can't compete with your scouting prowess. Serious.

Go check out the draft forum's past threads, or just ask Manxman about it. I didn't care about Dobson/Allen myself, but others clearly wanted Allen. I was more focused on the team getting Wheaton as the second WR, as opposed to Boyce.