Aaron Dobson

[HawaiianPatsfan]

When Dobson was drafted, the Pats still had the Hernandez on the roster, so they didn't have a need for Kelce. It wasn't until nearly 2 months later that Hernandez was arrested for Murder.
When Dobson was drafted, the Pats had Vereen and Ridley on the team already.

Whenever I hear people lament like this I always have to ask:
How do you know that Allen or Davis could have performed in this offense?
How do you know that Allen or Davis could have handled the coaching style?
How do you know that Mathieu would have done well on this defense?
How do you know that Mathieu could have handled the Pats coaching style?

You have a valid point on Kelce and Lacey

However, Im confident that Keenan Allen would've been a better pick and player in this system. He offers much more versatility in where he can line up, and has great ability to get open. The number one requirement for success in this system.

 

[NG Pats Fan]

When Dobson was drafted, the Pats still had the Hernandez on the roster, so they didn't have a need for Kelce. It wasn't until nearly 2 months later that Hernandez was arrested for Murder.
When Dobson was drafted, the Pats had Vereen and Ridley on the team already.

Whenever I hear people lament like this I always have to ask:
How do you know that Allen or Davis could have performed in this offense?
How do you know that Allen or Davis could have handled the coaching style?
How do you know that Mathieu would have done well on this defense?
How do you know that Mathieu could have handled the Pats coaching style?

You make it sound like the patriots are incapable of coaching talented players with big egos. We've had plenty of them come through our system over the years. Belichick can handle them all


Allen physical possession style of WR would have been perfect fit, however I do believe Dobson had a great game and I am rooting for him

 

[Concussion Protocol]

I agree but that will come with confidence, IMHO. Another problem is his going to ground on the reception. I'd love to see him catch one in mid-stride and go all the way... But the longball is not a Brady strength and if the way to get deep completions, is such awkward catches, then so be it.

I think the two problems are connected. He goes to the ground because he's using his whole body to cradle these passes. When the hands-catches begin, the RAC will soon follow.

 

[BradyFTW!]

When Dobson was drafted, the Pats still had the Hernandez on the roster, so they didn't have a need for Kelce. It wasn't until nearly 2 months later that Hernandez was arrested for Murder.
When Dobson was drafted, the Pats had Vereen and Ridley on the team already.

Whenever I hear people lament like this I always have to ask:
How do you know that Allen or Davis could have performed in this offense?
How do you know that Allen or Davis could have handled the coaching style?
How do you know that Mathieu would have done well on this defense?
How do you know that Mathieu could have handled the Pats coaching style?

I'll go a step further and say how do we know Knile Davis is actually good? Are we supposed to be impressed by his career 3.4 YPC? He sucks running the ball, and for a decently sized RB he seems to always go down on first contact. I'm not sure what his niche is supposed to be: maybe a passing game specialist, but if so we have no shortage of guys who are at least as good as him and didn't cost a 2nd round pick.

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Re: Dobson, yesterday was encouraging. I'm not looking for anything more from him than he was yesterday, and if he can be that then he has a spot on the roster. Big-bodied, uses his body to get open and give Brady a window to throw into, knows to sit in zone coverage and turn around to look for the ball. Doesn't turn upfield much, which basically negates his speed and turns him into a possession receiver, but I'll take it. The one request I have is that he be a bit more surehanded, and if he can do that then he's a useful player who will make some pretty decent money on his second NFL contract. Maybe he turns into more, and that would be nice, but I'm not counting on it and it's not strictly necessary/

 

[Big-T]

I am not disagreeing with you, but I really like 2TE more than 3WR, personally. We'll see. Chandler is still getting familiar and I think will be a force down the stretch, especially when the weather changes and they'll have a reason to use bigger sets more (though we know they do what they want no matter what weather).

I love 2/3/4 TE sets and have been a big fan of Chandler for years, but he is a bit slow and cumbersome so is better used in the 20s.

It is a good thing to have though, can really go heavy on game plan specific offensive looks. One week it might be 3 wide, others it might be 3 TE.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I'm tickled to death with what Dobson did yesterday. Good for him and good for the offense.

He just needs to build on it and keep contributing.

Going backwards now is a death blow.

 

[DaBruinz]

You have a valid point on Kelce and Lacey

However, Im confident that Keenan Allen would've been a better pick and player in this system. He offers much more versatility in where he can line up, and has great ability to get open. The number one requirement for success in this system.

The number 1 requirement for success in the Patriots system is being able to learn the playbook followed by being able to handle the Patriots style of coaching.. Versatility just gets you in the door.

 

[DaBruinz]

You make it sound like the patriots are incapable of coaching talented players with big egos. We've had plenty of them come through our system over the years. Belichick can handle them all

Allen physical possession style of WR would have been perfect fit, however I do believe Dobson had a great game and I am rooting for him

No. I make it sound like players with big egos have a hard time putting them aside to be coached by Patriots coaches.. And yes, there is a huge difference..

Plus, the system requires an "All-In" attitude. We thought Reggie Wayne brought that, but it turned out that he couldn't put his ego aside and felt that the environment was 'No fun".

 

[HawaiianPatsfan]

The number 1 requirement for success in the Patriots system is being able to learn the playbook followed by being able to handle the Patriots style of coaching.. Versatility just gets you in the door.

None of that changes the fact that anyone with half a brain would choose Allen over Dobson 100 times over. He also runs a complex variation of routes out in San Diego and also did so when at Cal. Plain and simple, he's just a better player.

 

[DaBruinz]

None of that changes the fact that anyone with half a brain would choose Allen over Dobson 100 times over. He also runs a complex variation of routes out in San Diego and also did so when at Cal. Plain and simple, he's just a better player.

Really?? So, a player who can't take coaching and can't learn the complexity of the play-book (6 inches thick) should be taken over someone who can take coaching and can learn the play-book??

Anyone who can think logically would take the player who can succeed in the system. The one who can learn the play-book and take coaching. OH, yeah. Please remember that part of learning the play-book is knowing which route to switch to based on your read of the defense while at the line of scrimmage and that it has to be the same route Brady will be switching to..

Please provide a link to your articles that say that Allen runs a complex variation of routes in San Diego and that he ran them at CAL as well.

EDIT: To paraphrase Bill Belichick "We're building a team, not collecting talent".

 

[condon84]

Don't forget he also went deep to Dion Lewis yesterday. Would be nice if he tried it with a non-dwarf other than Gronk someday.

lol at your passive aggressive response.

Don't be a sissy.

 

[HawaiianPatsfan]

Really?? So, a player who can't take coaching and can't learn the complexity of the play-book (6 inches thick) should be taken over someone who can take coaching and can learn the play-book??

Anyone who can think logically would take the player who can succeed in the system. The one who can learn the play-book and take coaching. OH, yeah. Please remember that part of learning the play-book is knowing which route to switch to based on your read of the defense while at the line of scrimmage and that it has to be the same route Brady will be switching to..

Please provide a link to your articles that say that Allen runs a complex variation of routes in San Diego and that he ran them at CAL as well.

EDIT: To paraphrase Bill Belichick "We're building a team, not collecting talent".

Links? I don't need someone else to do an article to tell when a player runs a complex route tree. I know football! Football accounts for nearly half of my yearly income and spending money. Every Monday-Wednesday, I watch almost every play of the weekend from almost every team with All-22 film. Im telling you this because Im positive he does. Ive seen it with my own eyes, and I seen it with him at Cal when I would watch draft breakdown film leading up to the 2013 draft. You're the one calling me out without doing any research. Get the **** out of here!

Tell me something... You keep talking like Aaron Dobson is some stud who has shown he learned the playbook. There's a reason he's 3rd and sometimes 4th on the roster, and that reason isn't injury.

 

[HawaiianPatsfan]

Really?? So, a player who can't take coaching and can't learn the complexity of the play-book (6 inches thick) should be taken over someone who can take coaching and can learn the play-book??

Anyone who can think logically would take the player who can succeed in the system. The one who can learn the play-book and take coaching. OH, yeah. Please remember that part of learning the play-book is knowing which route to switch to based on your read of the defense while at the line of scrimmage and that it has to be the same route Brady will be switching to..

Please provide a link to your articles that say that Allen runs a complex variation of routes in San Diego and that he ran them at CAL as well.

EDIT: To paraphrase Bill Belichick "We're building a team, not collecting talent".

Just to shut you up a little bit more.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1434991-keenan-allen-2013-nfl-draft-scouting-report

 

[Deus Irae]

None of that changes the fact that anyone with half a brain would choose Allen over Dobson 100 times over. He also runs a complex variation of routes out in San Diego and also did so when at Cal. Plain and simple, he's just a better player.

I gave you a like to counter the dumbassery of whichever commenter was foolish enough to disagree with your post. Moving forward is an unknown, and Allen's knees were reportedly an issue at draft time, but there's no question that Allen's been the vastly superior player to date.

 

[HawaiianPatsfan]

I gave you a like to counter the dumbassery of whichever commenter was foolish enough to disagree with your post. Moving forward is an unknown, and Allen's knees were reportedly an issue at draft time, but there's no question that Allen's been the vastly superior player to date.

Thank you. If someone can say that they think Dobson is/was a better fit for NE then Allen would've been, then that person really doesn't know, or watch much football.

The Knee was a legit concern. However, its even more annoying that Dobson is the one with Injury issues in the NFL .

 

[rochrist]

Except for the one that bounced off his chest. Nice game all in all but I'm still not sold. That drop was classic.

Yes, a classic blunder committed by every WR ever. Turning upfield before the ball is secured. JE has done it. Welker did it. Gronk has done it.

 

[DaBruinz]

Links? I don't need someone else to do an article to tell when a player runs a complex route tree. I know football! Football accounts for nearly half of my yearly income and spending money. Every Monday-Wednesday, I watch almost every play of the weekend from almost every team with All-22 film. Im telling you this because Im positive he does. Ive seen it with my own eyes, and I seen it with him at Cal when I would watch draft breakdown film leading up to the 2013 draft. You're the one calling me out without doing any research. Get the **** out of here!

Tell me something... You keep talking like Aaron Dobson is some stud who has shown he learned the playbook. There is a reason he is 3rd and sometimes 4th on the roster, and that reason isn't injury.

Sorry, but you haven't proven you do anything.. And your ridiculous exaggeration of my evaluation of Dobson shows you don't know wtf you are talking about. Dobson is our 3rd WR because there are better players ahead of him in Edelman and Amendola. And if you are inept enough to think that he's 3rd for any other reason than that, then you have no business claiming you know football what-so-ever.

One other thing. You've offered NOTHING to support your claims that Allen could work in the Pats offense other than your say so. You clearly don't understand how the Pats WRs route trees work and how they are required to make adjustments at the line based on what they see and that they're expected to make the same adjustment as Brady.

 

[DaBruinz]

Just to shut you up a little bit more.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1434991-keenan-allen-2013-nfl-draft-scouting-report

ROFLMAO. YOU offer up that as an example of Allen being able to handle the Patriots offense? Clearly you don't know jack about how the Patriots offense works.

 

[DaBruinz]

I gave you a like to counter the dumbassery of whichever commenter was foolish enough to disagree with your post. Moving forward is an unknown, and Allen's knees were reportedly an issue at draft time, but there's no question that Allen's been the vastly superior player to date.

No one is talking about comparing the two players talent wise or the production each of them has had in the two different systems. We're talking about whether or not Allen could have made it in the Patriots offense. And that's something that neither you nor HawaiiPatsfan have addressed..

So, nice red herring, Deus.. But that is typical of you. Can't actually be on point with the subject being talked about.

 

[DaBruinz]

Thank you. If someone can say that they think Dobson is/was a better fit for NE then Allen would've been, then that person really doesn't know, or watch much football.

The Knee was a legit concern. However, its even more annoying that Dobson is the one with Injury issues in the NFL .

You have yet to show ANYTHING to support your claim. Nothing at all. Yet you keep pounding your chest as if you have.. You seem to be the one who knows nothing about Patriots football and clearly are lacking in terms of understanding how their offense is run.