Official Brady vs. NFL Federal Court 8/12 Thread (LIVE UPDATES)

[PatsWSB47]

Based on what? Isn't the NFL 0-4 on court cases.

Still harping on CBA and how courts give arbitors decision more weight

 

[SacPete1]

Could someone please add context for me here.
I thought the basis for this hearing was primarily whether the process for discipline as described in the cba was adhered to or violated and that the findings in the Wells report were irrelevant.
This is what my understanding was based on not just the mediots but also legal experts (McCann and others) which was very disappointing.

Has the fact the judge focused on the actual facts of the case been analyzed and discussed by any legal experts as opposed to the cba process? I heard one thought that it was done to bring the two sides closer to arriving at a negotiated settlement.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Watching NFL* Live right now and their legal guy says Judge will rule for NFL* in the end.

Sounds like you might have been Munsoned?

 

[turkeyneck]

Wait what the heck was Philip Rivers doing there!

Thank you! I was racking my brain trying to figure why that was familiar.

 

[DarrylS]

Watching NFL* Live right now and their legal guy says Judge will rule for NFL* in the end.

NFL Live is owned by the NFL.. did you expect them to go against the Imperial Leader???

 

[PatsWSB47]

Which one? Munson?

Roger Kosic

 

[DarrylS]

Cole WrightVerified account ‏@ColeWrightNFL 11m11 minutes agoCulver City, CA
Sooo...tracked down the courtroom artist for the infamous #BradySketch #KnewIt

Bob Ross is the man, "this lonely little tree in this corner needs a friend".. remember reading about an inner city "latchkey kid" who would come home every day in a big city and would turn on Bob, he found it very calming and he eventually became a famous musician.. forget who it was.

 

[Charlotte Pats Fan]

Still harping on CBA and how courts give arbitors decision more weight

Courts might look at the definition of Arbitrator too.

arbitrator
[ ˈärbiˌtrātər ]
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noun: arbitrator · plural noun: arbitrators

1. 
   an independent person or body officially appointed to settle a dispute.
   synonyms: adjudicator · arbiter · judge · referee · umpire · mediator ·
   conciliator · intervenor · intercessor · go-between
   More

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[Koma]

Listening to WEEI.

They found someone who had a worse day than Roger.....the sketch artist. hahaha

In addition to smearing Brady's reputation, Goodell has also ruined the sketch artist's. At least, he can say this one was just collateral damage.

 

[DaBruinz]

Could someone please add context for me here.
I thought the basis for this hearing was primarily whether the process for discipline as described in the cba was adhered to or violated and that the findings in the Wells report were irrelevant.
This is what my understanding was based on not just the mediots but also legal experts (McCann and others) which was very disappointing.

Has the fact the judge focused on the actual facts of the case been analyzed and discussed by any legal experts as opposed to the cba process? I heard one thought that it was done to bring the two sides closer to arriving at a negotiated settlement.

What context is there to add? The judge clearly felt that the process included everything that led up to the point we're at now. So that would include the investigation and any evidence that was used to make both the initial decision and the decision upon appeal.

This was done to point out the "weaknesses" of the others arguments in an attempt to get the two sides talking since they haven't been because the NFL is insisting that Brady accept the Wells report as factual before they will even discuss anything. And Berman basically said in court that they need to drop that demand because the Wells report doesn't give them a leg to stand on..

 

[SVN]

VC Stock Marketing ‏@VCStockMarketng 21m21 minutes ago
Nash admitted “not for that specific game,” Berman delivered one of his zingers. “Wow, that's the only game we're talking about,” he said

 

[SVN]

Stephen Brown ‏@PPVSRB 2h2 hours ago
Court reporters discussing how Berman's skepticism shouldn't be mistaken for how he would rule. Law regarding CBAs is big hurdle for Brady

 

[SVN]

Stephen Brown ‏@PPVSRB 4h4 hours agoMassapequa Park, NY
Berman: From legal perspective: "You have to show that conspirators intended to be in the conspiracy...Is there a meeting?"

 

[Wheelman]

Roger Kosic

Roger Cossack. I made the mistake of checking on ESPN to see adam schefter. Started off good until the panel started spinning things like the NFLPA were getting grilled just as bad as the NFL. And then Merril Hoge said he thinks it'll be overturned because the more he hears the more he believes the NFL has no evidence against Brady and evidence is what it comes down to in contrast to Cossack saying it comes back to the CBA and arbitration disputes is like 66 out of 68 in that court in favour of being upheld.

 

[Koma]

View attachment 9992

The globe bringing out out their last ditch effort attacks as their beloved baseball team inches closer to the basement.

This is why I shake my head when someone on a national TV or radio show talks about the "homer" media in Boston. This is the top (or one of the top two) paper in the state supporting the NFL in a witch hunt against a Patriots QB. Not really a bastion of homer-ism.

 

[Mack Herron]

Kravitz on the run. Time for the coup de grâce.

http://www.wthr.com/story/29771840/kravitz-nfl-needs-to-step-back-and-settle-with-brady-now

It doesn’t take a genius to read the tea leaves. This is all starting to head south for the NFL, which can’t afford to take another shot across the bow. As it is, NFL owners are growing tired of Goodell’s missteps; he’s in a position where he needs to save what’s left of his reputation.

To put it in football terms, you just have to know when to take the sack or throw the ball out of bounds. Well, it’s time for the NFL to live for another play. This judge sounds more like a fan than he does a federal arbitrator, and based on what we’ve heard Wednesday, it sounds like he’s leaning in Brady’s direction. Make a deal, fellows.

 

[karguy85]

Can't believe ESPN worded their poll this way (in an attempt to steer people into thinking the NFL had a stronger case. For those who don't want to click on an ESPN link here is the question and possible answers (75% leaning toward option 1 so far).

Question: What was your takeaway from Wednesday's Deflategate hearing in federal court?

Answers:

1. Judge appeared to cast major doubt that the Wells Report implicated Brady.
   
2. Judge seemed to try to scare both sides by poking holes in their arguments.
   
3. Judge seemed to be leaning toward the NFL's side, especially in asking why Brady did not cooperate with Wells.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/poll/conversation/_/id/4847326

 

[adam941]

Courts might look at the definition of Arbitrator too.

arbitrator
[ ˈärbiˌtrātər ]

noun: arbitrator · plural noun: arbitrators

1. 
   an independent person or body officially appointed to settle a dispute.
   synonyms: adjudicator · arbiter · judge · referee · umpire · mediator ·
   conciliator · intervenor · intercessor · go-between
   More

Powered by OxfordDictionaries · © Oxford University Press

Yeah, doesn't #46 refer to a hearing officer, not specifically an arbitrator? Maybe splitting hairs, but isn't that what legal decisions turn on?

 

[JMC00]

Stephen Brown ‏@PPVSRB 2h2 hours ago
Court reporters discussing how Berman's skepticism shouldn't be mistaken for how he would rule. Law regarding CBAs is big hurdle for Brady

Think those court reporters might want to bone up on the nfl* CBA, wells report, appeal hearing transcript and the briefs.

 

[karguy85]

Kravitz on the run. Time for the coup de grâce.

http://www.wthr.com/story/29771840/kravitz-nfl-needs-to-step-back-and-settle-with-brady-now

How grimy can Kravitz get that he is calling out the integrity of a federal Judge because he doesn't seemingly support his opinion. Wow Kravitz.